From anitagraser at gmx.at Tue Mar 3 11:05:44 2026 From: anitagraser at gmx.at (Anita Graser) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2026 21:05:44 +0200 Subject: [Qgis-psc] PSC meeting minutes for March 2026 Message-ID: <216199f6-015a-4411-8a08-00c3d7c86558@gmx.at> Dear community, This month?s PSC meeting minutes have been published on https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/wiki/PSC-Meetings-archive. (The archival PDF version will be added in the upcoming days.) Regards, Anita -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From valentin.buira at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 13:17:43 2026 From: valentin.buira at gmail.com (Valentin Buira) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2026 21:17:43 +0100 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Status on migrate our mailing lists to Discourse ? Message-ID: Hi PSC, As per my email subject, I would like to know more about the status of the migrating mailing list to OSGeo discourse, as it was announced almost two years ago on this mailing list [1] mailman is a venerable piece of software that has served us well for the past 10 years, but the quality of life improvements everywhere else has made mailman pale in comparison of what a 2026 collaborative platform could be. I think it's a good time to study the possibility of migrating to discourse again. In random order a list of defavor argument for mailman and favor argument for discourse: * Answering to an email is super tedious, I don't have a mail client installed on my computer and I found two workaround this: - use the developer tools of my browser to find the right reply-to email. - Or write the email first, then browse from my phone the web interface for the right mail to answer to and finally click on it as my gmail app acts as a mail client. * No search function out of the box we have to rely on external service like : mail-archive.com it's fine if you have been in the project for 10 years but if you join recently there is a loss of informations. * Sometimes I want to answer a really old topic, but I don't because I don't want to pollute everybody else mailbox. Discourse handles long-tail discussions more cleanly via threading * This one is a bit subjective BUT to me the current web interface looks like a scam website * Emojis support in discourse (I think they light up the mood sometimes ) * Blender, Gnome, Mozilla, pg-routing have all adopted it, and have not looked back. * Mobile support in discourse Last time the discussion came up, I feel like the arguments were really one sided, that's why I would like to open up the discussion again. I understand the concerns about the migration, and if we don't want to dive in right away maybe we could have an experiment period of 6 months? Keep both side by side, give it a try, and I am convinced the concerns will fade quickly. Cheers, Valentin [1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2024-April/066662.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdmailings at duif.net Tue Mar 10 01:00:57 2026 From: rdmailings at duif.net (Richard Duivenvoorde) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2026 09:00:57 +0100 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Status on migrate our mailing lists to Discourse ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No email client ??? Ha ha, yes then a mailing list is not a thing for you :-) I think the purpose of mailing lists can be two-fold: - as an information source / archive - as a (direct) communication channel To me all my mailing lists (GDAL, PROJ, (geoserver... gone), 4xQGIS) end up in one mailbox, perfectly searchable with an mail client. And I'm checking mail all day, so the best way to communicatie with me is mail (or chat). Your case that information gets lost is valid, but to be honest: at least mail archives have mail from 10 year. Try that with other (non federated) services? Maybe for users (who do not communicatie with each other on regular bases), a forum is good? But for (transparent) communication between people, I't say a mailing list is better? So my 2 ct: I'd say: the user list is more suitable for a forum then the dev list? ( I do not think I would check discourse as often as I do my mails, in my client :-) ) But all this is personal: I'm not following Geoserver discussions anymore because of their move, but maybe I can get used to checking discourse every day if QGIS also moves... I'll try to follow :-) Regards, Richard Duivenvoorde On 2026-03-09 21:17, Valentin Buira via QGIS-PSC wrote: > Hi PSC, > > As per my email subject, I would like to know more about the status of > the migrating mailing list to OSGeo discourse, as it was announced > almost two years ago on this mailing list [1] > > mailman is a venerable piece of software that has served us well for > the past 10 years, but the quality of life improvements everywhere > else has made mailman pale in comparison of what a 2026 collaborative > platform could be. I think it's a good time to study the possibility > of migrating to discourse again. > > In random order a list of defavor argument for mailman and favor > argument for discourse: > > * Answering to an email is super tedious, I don't have a mail client > installed on my computer and I found two workaround this: > - use the developer tools of my browser to find the right reply-to > email. > - Or write the email first, then browse from my phone the web > interface for the right mail to answer to and finally click on it as > my gmail app acts as a mail client. > * No search function out of the box we have to rely on external > service like : mail-archive.com [1] it's fine if you have been in the > project for 10 years but if you join recently there is a loss of > informations. > * Sometimes I want to answer a really old topic, but I don't because I > don't want to pollute everybody else mailbox. Discourse handles > long-tail discussions more cleanly via threading > * This one is a bit subjective BUT to me the current web interface > looks like a scam website > * Emojis support in discourse (I think they light up the mood > sometimes ) > * Blender, Gnome, Mozilla, pg-routing have all adopted it, and have > not looked back. > * Mobile support in discourse > > Last time the discussion came up, I feel like the arguments were > really one sided, that's why I would like to open up the discussion > again. > > I understand the concerns about the migration, and if we don't want to > dive in right away maybe we could have an experiment period of 6 > months? Keep both side by side, give it a try, and I am convinced the > concerns will fade quickly. > > Cheers, > Valentin > > [1] > https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2024-April/066662.html > > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://mail-archive.com > _______________________________________________ > QGIS-PSC mailing list > QGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc From apasotti at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 01:21:03 2026 From: apasotti at gmail.com (Alessandro Pasotti) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2026 09:21:03 +0100 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Status on migrate our mailing lists to Discourse ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Richard, you literally read my mind. @Valentin, you should try an email user agent (client), maybe it's not the latest technology but it survived for decades for a reason. On Tue, Mar 10, 2026 at 9:01?AM Richard Duivenvoorde via QGIS-PSC wrote: > > No email client ??? Ha ha, yes then a mailing list is not a thing for > you :-) > > I think the purpose of mailing lists can be two-fold: > > - as an information source / archive > - as a (direct) communication channel > > To me all my mailing lists (GDAL, PROJ, (geoserver... gone), 4xQGIS) end > up in one mailbox, perfectly searchable with an mail client. > And I'm checking mail all day, so the best way to communicatie with me > is mail (or chat). > > Your case that information gets lost is valid, but to be honest: at > least mail archives have mail from 10 year. Try that with other (non > federated) services? > > Maybe for users (who do not communicatie with each other on regular > bases), a forum is good? > But for (transparent) communication between people, I't say a mailing > list is better? > > So my 2 ct: > I'd say: the user list is more suitable for a forum then the dev list? > ( I do not think I would check discourse as often as I do my mails, in > my client :-) ) > But all this is personal: I'm not following Geoserver discussions > anymore because of their move, but maybe I can get used to checking > discourse every day if QGIS also moves... > > I'll try to follow :-) > > Regards, > > Richard Duivenvoorde > > On 2026-03-09 21:17, Valentin Buira via QGIS-PSC wrote: > > Hi PSC, > > > > As per my email subject, I would like to know more about the status of > > the migrating mailing list to OSGeo discourse, as it was announced > > almost two years ago on this mailing list [1] > > > > mailman is a venerable piece of software that has served us well for > > the past 10 years, but the quality of life improvements everywhere > > else has made mailman pale in comparison of what a 2026 collaborative > > platform could be. I think it's a good time to study the possibility > > of migrating to discourse again. > > > > In random order a list of defavor argument for mailman and favor > > argument for discourse: > > > > * Answering to an email is super tedious, I don't have a mail client > > installed on my computer and I found two workaround this: > > - use the developer tools of my browser to find the right reply-to > > email. > > - Or write the email first, then browse from my phone the web > > interface for the right mail to answer to and finally click on it as > > my gmail app acts as a mail client. > > * No search function out of the box we have to rely on external > > service like : mail-archive.com [1] it's fine if you have been in the > > project for 10 years but if you join recently there is a loss of > > informations. > > * Sometimes I want to answer a really old topic, but I don't because I > > don't want to pollute everybody else mailbox. Discourse handles > > long-tail discussions more cleanly via threading > > * This one is a bit subjective BUT to me the current web interface > > looks like a scam website > > * Emojis support in discourse (I think they light up the mood > > sometimes ) > > * Blender, Gnome, Mozilla, pg-routing have all adopted it, and have > > not looked back. > > * Mobile support in discourse > > > > Last time the discussion came up, I feel like the arguments were > > really one sided, that's why I would like to open up the discussion > > again. > > > > I understand the concerns about the migration, and if we don't want to > > dive in right away maybe we could have an experiment period of 6 > > months? Keep both side by side, give it a try, and I am convinced the > > concerns will fade quickly. > > > > Cheers, > > Valentin > > > > [1] > > https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2024-April/066662.html > > > > > > Links: > > ------ > > [1] http://mail-archive.com > > _______________________________________________ > > QGIS-PSC mailing list > > QGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.org > > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc > _______________________________________________ > QGIS-PSC mailing list > QGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc -- Alessandro Pasotti QCooperative: www.qcooperative.net ItOpen: www.itopen.it From julien.cabieces at oslandia.com Tue Mar 10 01:33:18 2026 From: julien.cabieces at oslandia.com (Julien Cabieces) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2026 09:33:18 +0100 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Status on migrate our mailing lists to Discourse ? In-Reply-To: (Valentin Buira via's message of "Mon, 9 Mar 2026 21:17:43 +0100") References: Message-ID: <87sea8m6cx.fsf@julienlaptop.home> Hi Valentin, I completely second your request. At the time the discussion arose, I was not completely sure discourse was a better option but now I made up my mind and I'd really love we make the switch to discourse. I'm using a mail client and I'd like to continue. Good thing is AFAIK discourse propose different notification strategy (on mention, on post I already reply...) and that would be a real advantage to me, selecting the topic I want to be notified or not. I completely resigned from the QGIS user mailing list because it was too many mails that I can deal with. Sometimes, I feel the need to discuss with users (about UI or user workflow when developing a new feature for instance) but I would have to subscribe/unscribe the mailing list and receive emails I don't care. So I don't do it... I had the same experience last time I wanted to discuss packages with the Debian community : subcribe/send email/Ooops wrong mailing list/unscribe/subscribe/...(repeat) And searching in old messages (and maybe replying) when you're new to the project is also really important and help onboarding in the project. Regards, Julien > Hi PSC, > > As per my email subject, I would like to know more about the status of the migrating mailing list to OSGeo discourse, as it was announced > almost two years ago on this mailing list [1] > > mailman is a venerable piece of software that has served us well for the past 10 years, but the quality of life improvements everywhere else has > made mailman pale in comparison of what a 2026 collaborative platform could be. I think it's a good time to study the possibility of migrating to > discourse again. > > In random order a list of defavor argument for mailman and favor argument for discourse: > > * Answering to an email is super tedious, I don't have a mail client installed on my computer and I found two workaround this: > - use the developer tools of my browser to find the right reply-to email. > - Or write the email first, then browse from my phone the web interface for the right mail to answer to and finally click on it as my gmail app > acts as a mail client. > * No search function out of the box we have to rely on external service like : mail-archive.com it's fine if you have been in the project for 10 > years but if you join recently there is a loss of informations. > * Sometimes I want to answer a really old topic, but I don't because I don't want to pollute everybody else mailbox. Discourse handles long-tail > discussions more cleanly via threading > * This one is a bit subjective BUT to me the current web interface looks like a scam website > * Emojis support in discourse (I think they light up the mood sometimes ) > * Blender, Gnome, Mozilla, pg-routing have all adopted it, and have not looked back. > * Mobile support in discourse > > Last time the discussion came up, I feel like the arguments were really one sided, that's why I would like to open up the discussion again. > > I understand the concerns about the migration, and if we don't want to dive in right away maybe we could have an experiment period of 6 > months? Keep both side by side, give it a try, and I am convinced the concerns will fade quickly. > > Cheers, > Valentin > > [1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2024-April/066662.html > > _______________________________________________ > QGIS-PSC mailing list > QGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc -- Julien Cabieces Senior Developer at Oslandia julien.cabieces at oslandia.com From valentin.buira at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 11:51:04 2026 From: valentin.buira at gmail.com (Valentin Buira) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2026 19:51:04 +0100 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Status on migrate our mailing lists to Discourse ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > No email client ??? Ha ha, yes then a mailing list is not a thing for > you :-) Well before your mail and the one from Alessandro I thought it was pretty normal haha. But that's exactly my point if it's not for me that have been using it for ~2 years, then it's probably also excluding some newcomers to join-in > But all this is personal: I'm not following Geoserver discussions > anymore because of their move Have you tried the "Mailing list mode" of discourse in preferences > emails ? It allows you to use discourse like today's mailing list, and you can view and reply to a thread directly from your mail. Could it be the best of both worlds ? The magic settings that bridge the gap between generations :-) ? > at least mail archives have mail from 10 year. Try that with other (non > federated) services? It is impressive, that got me thinking maybe we could import this valuable institutional knowledge over discourse during the migration ? Cheers, Valentin Le mar. 10 mars 2026 ? 09:00, Richard Duivenvoorde a ?crit : > No email client ??? Ha ha, yes then a mailing list is not a thing for > you :-) > > I think the purpose of mailing lists can be two-fold: > > - as an information source / archive > - as a (direct) communication channel > > To me all my mailing lists (GDAL, PROJ, (geoserver... gone), 4xQGIS) end > up in one mailbox, perfectly searchable with an mail client. > And I'm checking mail all day, so the best way to communicatie with me > is mail (or chat). > > Your case that information gets lost is valid, but to be honest: at > least mail archives have mail from 10 year. Try that with other (non > federated) services? > > Maybe for users (who do not communicatie with each other on regular > bases), a forum is good? > But for (transparent) communication between people, I't say a mailing > list is better? > > So my 2 ct: > I'd say: the user list is more suitable for a forum then the dev list? > ( I do not think I would check discourse as often as I do my mails, in > my client :-) ) > But all this is personal: I'm not following Geoserver discussions > anymore because of their move, but maybe I can get used to checking > discourse every day if QGIS also moves... > > I'll try to follow :-) > > Regards, > > Richard Duivenvoorde > > On 2026-03-09 21:17, Valentin Buira via QGIS-PSC wrote: > > Hi PSC, > > > > As per my email subject, I would like to know more about the status of > > the migrating mailing list to OSGeo discourse, as it was announced > > almost two years ago on this mailing list [1] > > > > mailman is a venerable piece of software that has served us well for > > the past 10 years, but the quality of life improvements everywhere > > else has made mailman pale in comparison of what a 2026 collaborative > > platform could be. I think it's a good time to study the possibility > > of migrating to discourse again. > > > > In random order a list of defavor argument for mailman and favor > > argument for discourse: > > > > * Answering to an email is super tedious, I don't have a mail client > > installed on my computer and I found two workaround this: > > - use the developer tools of my browser to find the right reply-to > > email. > > - Or write the email first, then browse from my phone the web > > interface for the right mail to answer to and finally click on it as > > my gmail app acts as a mail client. > > * No search function out of the box we have to rely on external > > service like : mail-archive.com [1] it's fine if you have been in the > > project for 10 years but if you join recently there is a loss of > > informations. > > * Sometimes I want to answer a really old topic, but I don't because I > > don't want to pollute everybody else mailbox. Discourse handles > > long-tail discussions more cleanly via threading > > * This one is a bit subjective BUT to me the current web interface > > looks like a scam website > > * Emojis support in discourse (I think they light up the mood > > sometimes ) > > * Blender, Gnome, Mozilla, pg-routing have all adopted it, and have > > not looked back. > > * Mobile support in discourse > > > > Last time the discussion came up, I feel like the arguments were > > really one sided, that's why I would like to open up the discussion > > again. > > > > I understand the concerns about the migration, and if we don't want to > > dive in right away maybe we could have an experiment period of 6 > > months? Keep both side by side, give it a try, and I am convinced the > > concerns will fade quickly. > > > > Cheers, > > Valentin > > > > [1] > > https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2024-April/066662.html > > > > > > Links: > > ------ > > [1] http://mail-archive.com > > _______________________________________________ > > QGIS-PSC mailing list > > QGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.org > > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jean.felder at oslandia.com Thu Mar 12 01:05:47 2026 From: jean.felder at oslandia.com (Jean Felder) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2026 09:05:47 +0100 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Status on migrate our mailing lists to Discourse ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, Thanks Valentin for raising this discussion. I also think migrating to Discourse is a good idea. I had the chance to experience the migration of the GNOME project from a mailing list to discourse, and it was a complete success. In particular: - It allowed many people who found subscribing to a mailing list too complicated to join the discussion (please, don?t try to rationalize this. Yes, for some people, especially newcomers, subscribing to a mailing list really is difficult) - It created new discussions between project developers and users. By users, I mean people who have lots of ideas or feedback for the project but would never have created a GitHub account For more information, here?s some feedback from the GNOME project: - https://discourse.gnome.org/t/common-questions-re-mailman-to-discourse/11841 - https://discourse.gnome.org/t/sub-categories/11733/6?u=trim I also want to point out that it?s totally possible to use Discourse directly from an email client. That?s one of Discourse?s strengths. See for example: - https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 - https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/how-do-i-use-discourse-via-email/15279 Cheers, Jean Le 09/03/2026 ? 21:17, Valentin Buira via QGIS-PSC a ?crit?: > Hi PSC, > > As per my email subject, I would like to know more about the status of > the migrating mailing list to OSGeo discourse, as it was > announced?almost two years?ago on this mailing list [1] > > mailman is a venerable piece of software that?has served?us well > for?the past 10 years, but the quality of life improvements everywhere > else has made mailman pale in comparison?of what a 2026 collaborative > platform could be. I think it's a good time to study the > possibility?of migrating to discourse again. > > In random order a list of defavor argument for mailman and favor > argument for discourse: > > * Answering to an email is super?tedious, I don't have a mail client > installed on my computer and I found two workaround this: > ? ?-? use the developer tools of my browser to find the right reply-to > email. > ? ?-? Or write the email first, then browse from my phone the web > interface for the right mail to?answer to and finally click on it as > my gmail app acts as a mail client. > * No search function out of the box we have to rely on external > service like : mail-archive.com ?it's fine if > you have been in the project for 10 years but if you join recently > there is a loss of informations. > * Sometimes I want to answer a really old topic, but I don't because I > don't want to pollute everybody else mailbox.?Discourse handles > long-tail discussions more cleanly via threading > * This one is a bit subjective BUT to me the current web interface > looks like a scam website > * Emojis support in discourse (I think they light up the mood sometimes ) > * Blender, Gnome, Mozilla, pg-routing have all adopted it, and have > not looked back. > * Mobile support in discourse > > Last time the discussion came up, I feel like the arguments were > really one sided, that's why I would like to open up the discussion > again. > > I understand the concerns about the?migration, and if we don't want to > dive in right away maybe we could have an experiment period of 6 > months? Keep both side by side, give it a try, and I am convinced the > concerns will fade quickly. > > Cheers, > Valentin > > [1] > https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2024-April/066662.html > > _______________________________________________ > QGIS-PSC mailing list > QGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc -- Jean Felder D?veloppeur SIG Oslandia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OpenPGP_0x12722DC64D3F429E.asc Type: application/pgp-keys Size: 2444 bytes Desc: OpenPGP public key URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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By users, I mean people who have lots of ideas or feedback for the project but would never have created a GitHub account For more information, here?s some feedback from the GNOME project: - https://discourse.gnome.org/t/common-questions-re-mailman-to-discourse/11841 - https://discourse.gnome.org/t/sub-categories/11733/6?u=trim I also want to point out that it?s totally possible to use Discourse directly from an email client. That?s one of Discourse?s strengths. See for example: - https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 - https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/how-do-i-use-discourse-via-email/15279 Cheers, Jean Le 09/03/2026 ? 21:17, Valentin Buira via QGIS-PSC a ?crit?: > Hi PSC, > > As per my email subject, I would like to know more about the status of > the migrating mailing list to OSGeo discourse, as it was > announced?almost two years?ago on this mailing list [1] > > mailman is a venerable piece of software that?has served?us well > for?the past 10 years, but the quality of life improvements everywhere > else has made mailman pale in comparison?of what a 2026 collaborative > platform could be. I think it's a good time to study the > possibility?of migrating to discourse again. > > In random order a list of defavor argument for mailman and favor > argument for discourse: > > * Answering to an email is super?tedious, I don't have a mail client > installed on my computer and I found two workaround this: > ? ?-? use the developer tools of my browser to find the right reply-to > email. > ? ?-? Or write the email first, then browse from my phone the web > interface for the right mail to?answer to and finally click on it as > my gmail app acts as a mail client. > * No search function out of the box we have to rely on external > service like : mail-archive.com ?it's fine if > you have been in the project for 10 years but if you join recently > there is a loss of informations. > * Sometimes I want to answer a really old topic, but I don't because I > don't want to pollute everybody else mailbox.?Discourse handles > long-tail discussions more cleanly via threading > * This one is a bit subjective BUT to me the current web interface > looks like a scam website > * Emojis support in discourse (I think they light up the mood sometimes ) > * Blender, Gnome, Mozilla, pg-routing have all adopted it, and have > not looked back. > * Mobile support in discourse > > Last time the discussion came up, I feel like the arguments were > really one sided, that's why I would like to open up the discussion > again. > > I understand the concerns about the?migration, and if we don't want to > dive in right away maybe we could have an experiment period of 6 > months? Keep both side by side, give it a try, and I am convinced the > concerns will fade quickly. > > Cheers, > Valentin > > [1] > https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2024-April/066662.html > > _______________________________________________ > QGIS-PSC mailing list > QGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc -- Jean Felder D?veloppeur SIG Oslandia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From denis.rouzaud at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 10:13:28 2026 From: denis.rouzaud at gmail.com (Denis Rouzaud) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2026 18:13:28 +0100 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Status on migrate our mailing lists to Discourse ? In-Reply-To: <5bf698df-b4bb-47e7-8b09-a6ad1bc38a1e@oslandia.com> References: <5bf698df-b4bb-47e7-8b09-a6ad1bc38a1e@oslandia.com> Message-ID: That'd be also a big +1 from me to go in a more modern and welcoming way It seems the path should not be too complex: https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/11 Cheers, Denis Le jeu. 12 mars 2026 ? 17:38, Jean Felder via QGIS-PSC < qgis-psc at lists.osgeo.org> a ?crit : > Hi everyone, > > Thanks Valentin for raising this discussion. > > I also think migrating to Discourse is a good idea. > > I had the chance to experience the migration of the GNOME project from a > mailing list to discourse, and it was a complete success. In particular: > - It allowed many people who found subscribing to a mailing list too > complicated to join the discussion (please, don?t try to rationalize this. > Yes, for some people, especially newcomers, subscribing to a mailing list > really is difficult) > - It created new discussions between project developers and users. By > users, I mean people who have lots of ideas or feedback for the project but > would never have created a GitHub account > > For more information, here?s some feedback from the GNOME project: > > - > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/common-questions-re-mailman-to-discourse/11841 > - https://discourse.gnome.org/t/sub-categories/11733/6?u=trim > > > I also want to point out that it?s totally possible to use Discourse > directly from an email client. That?s one of Discourse?s strengths. > See for example: > - https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 > - https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/how-do-i-use-discourse-via-email/15279 > > > Cheers, > Jean > > > > Le 09/03/2026 ? 21:17, Valentin Buira via QGIS-PSC a ?crit : > > Hi PSC, > > As per my email subject, I would like to know more about the status of the > migrating mailing list to OSGeo discourse, as it was announced almost two > years ago on this mailing list [1] > > mailman is a venerable piece of software that has served us well for the > past 10 years, but the quality of life improvements everywhere else has > made mailman pale in comparison of what a 2026 collaborative platform could > be. I think it's a good time to study the possibility of migrating to > discourse again. > > In random order a list of defavor argument for mailman and favor argument > for discourse: > > * Answering to an email is super tedious, I don't have a mail client > installed on my computer and I found two workaround this: > - use the developer tools of my browser to find the right reply-to > email. > - Or write the email first, then browse from my phone the web > interface for the right mail to answer to and finally click on it as my > gmail app acts as a mail client. > * No search function out of the box we have to rely on external service > like : mail-archive.com it's fine if you have been in the project for 10 > years but if you join recently there is a loss of informations. > * Sometimes I want to answer a really old topic, but I don't because I > don't want to pollute everybody else mailbox. Discourse handles long-tail > discussions more cleanly via threading > * This one is a bit subjective BUT to me the current web interface looks > like a scam website > * Emojis support in discourse (I think they light up the mood sometimes ) > * Blender, Gnome, Mozilla, pg-routing have all adopted it, and have not > looked back. > * Mobile support in discourse > > Last time the discussion came up, I feel like the arguments were really > one sided, that's why I would like to open up the discussion again. > > I understand the concerns about the migration, and if we don't want to > dive in right away maybe we could have an experiment period of 6 months? > Keep both side by side, give it a try, and I am convinced the concerns will > fade quickly. > > Cheers, > Valentin > > [1] > https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2024-April/066662.html > > _______________________________________________ > QGIS-PSC mailing listQGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.orghttps://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc > > > -- > Jean Felder > D?veloppeur SIG > Oslandia > > _______________________________________________ > QGIS-PSC mailing list > QGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marco at qgis.org Fri Mar 13 04:54:48 2026 From: marco at qgis.org (Marco Bernasocchi) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2026 12:54:48 +0100 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Status on migrate our mailing lists to Discourse ? In-Reply-To: References: <5bf698df-b4bb-47e7-8b09-a6ad1bc38a1e@oslandia.com> Message-ID: 9Hi all thanks all for the inputs here, i am also totally on Valentin's camp on trying to get read as much as i can of my emails. I also find ML horrendous for trying to find something. Anyway the good thing is that discourse allows interaction with it like if it was a mailing list. In fact the decision to migrate to discourse was already taken and planned for 2025. We just had way too much happening in the psc for taking care of this. The plan is to first migrate the psc ml to learn how to efficiently do this. We will move to the OSGeo.org discord like many other projects (and osgeo itself is planning) are doing since osgeo will most likely not update mailman anymore. Obviously if someone is willing to help, just get in touch. Cheers Marco Marco Bernasocchi QGIS.org Chair OSGEO.org VP Europe OPENGIS.ch CEO http://berna.io On Thu, 12 Mar 2026, 18:15 Denis Rouzaud via QGIS-PSC, < qgis-psc at lists.osgeo.org> wrote: > That'd be also a big +1 from me to go in a more modern and welcoming way > It seems the path should not be too complex: > https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/11 > > Cheers, > Denis > > Le jeu. 12 mars 2026 ? 17:38, Jean Felder via QGIS-PSC < > qgis-psc at lists.osgeo.org> a ?crit : > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Thanks Valentin for raising this discussion. >> >> I also think migrating to Discourse is a good idea. >> >> I had the chance to experience the migration of the GNOME project from a >> mailing list to discourse, and it was a complete success. In particular: >> - It allowed many people who found subscribing to a mailing list too >> complicated to join the discussion (please, don?t try to rationalize this. >> Yes, for some people, especially newcomers, subscribing to a mailing list >> really is difficult) >> - It created new discussions between project developers and users. By >> users, I mean people who have lots of ideas or feedback for the project but >> would never have created a GitHub account >> >> For more information, here?s some feedback from the GNOME project: >> >> - >> https://discourse.gnome.org/t/common-questions-re-mailman-to-discourse/11841 >> - https://discourse.gnome.org/t/sub-categories/11733/6?u=trim >> >> >> I also want to point out that it?s totally possible to use Discourse >> directly from an email client. That?s one of Discourse?s strengths. >> See for example: >> - https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 >> - https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/how-do-i-use-discourse-via-email/15279 >> >> >> Cheers, >> Jean >> >> >> >> Le 09/03/2026 ? 21:17, Valentin Buira via QGIS-PSC a ?crit : >> >> Hi PSC, >> >> As per my email subject, I would like to know more about the status of >> the migrating mailing list to OSGeo discourse, as it was announced almost >> two years ago on this mailing list [1] >> >> mailman is a venerable piece of software that has served us well for the >> past 10 years, but the quality of life improvements everywhere else has >> made mailman pale in comparison of what a 2026 collaborative platform could >> be. I think it's a good time to study the possibility of migrating to >> discourse again. >> >> In random order a list of defavor argument for mailman and favor argument >> for discourse: >> >> * Answering to an email is super tedious, I don't have a mail client >> installed on my computer and I found two workaround this: >> - use the developer tools of my browser to find the right reply-to >> email. >> - Or write the email first, then browse from my phone the web >> interface for the right mail to answer to and finally click on it as my >> gmail app acts as a mail client. >> * No search function out of the box we have to rely on external service >> like : mail-archive.com it's fine if you have been in the project for 10 >> years but if you join recently there is a loss of informations. >> * Sometimes I want to answer a really old topic, but I don't because I >> don't want to pollute everybody else mailbox. Discourse handles long-tail >> discussions more cleanly via threading >> * This one is a bit subjective BUT to me the current web interface looks >> like a scam website >> * Emojis support in discourse (I think they light up the mood sometimes ) >> * Blender, Gnome, Mozilla, pg-routing have all adopted it, and have not >> looked back. >> * Mobile support in discourse >> >> Last time the discussion came up, I feel like the arguments were really >> one sided, that's why I would like to open up the discussion again. >> >> I understand the concerns about the migration, and if we don't want to >> dive in right away maybe we could have an experiment period of 6 months? >> Keep both side by side, give it a try, and I am convinced the concerns will >> fade quickly. >> >> Cheers, >> Valentin >> >> [1] >> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2024-April/066662.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> QGIS-PSC mailing listQGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.orghttps://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc >> >> >> -- >> Jean Felder >> D?veloppeur SIG >> Oslandia >> >> _______________________________________________ >> QGIS-PSC mailing list >> QGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.org >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc >> > _______________________________________________ > QGIS-PSC mailing list > QGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From regis at qgis.org Fri Mar 13 10:13:11 2026 From: regis at qgis.org (=?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=A9gis_Haubourg?=) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2026 18:13:11 +0100 Subject: [Qgis-psc] Status on migrate our mailing lists to Discourse ? In-Reply-To: References: <5bf698df-b4bb-47e7-8b09-a6ad1bc38a1e@oslandia.com> Message-ID: Hi all, and thanks a lot Valentin for pushing up the topic. I wanted to take the task in 2025, but 2025 was not the year. We already did a migration for a very small QGIS FR mailing list, and already know this can work. There were a couple of issues regarding the mailing list mode that didn't work fully as expected, and regarding how topics and labels are used in osgeo's instance. It is time to tackle those issues properly. And yes, I have currently to handle 5 different email accounts, and change a lot of mailman's discussions and am in terrible pain maintaining all those mailing lists and finding old content. ?On last point, mailman 2 is end of life, and osgeo choose to bet on discourse more that mailman3, just like many projects out there. I totally support this move obviously.? I am following 3 of such projects and use email mailing list, or weekly digests, and am totally satisfied up to now. Cheers R?gis est regards, R?gis Haubourg Elected member at the Program Steering Comitee of QGIS.org. - On 13/03/2026 12:54, Marco Bernasocchi via QGIS-PSC wrote: > 9Hi all thanks all for the inputs here, i am also totally on > Valentin's camp on trying to get read as much as i can of my emails. I > also find ML horrendous for trying to find something. > Anyway the good thing is that discourse allows interaction with it > like if it was a mailing list. > > In fact the decision to migrate to discourse was already taken and > planned for 2025. We just had way too much happening in the psc for > taking care of this. > > The plan is to first migrate the psc ml to learn how to efficiently do > this. > > We will move to the OSGeo.org discord like many other projects (and > osgeo itself is planning) are doing since osgeo will most likely not > update mailman anymore. /s/discord/discourse ;-) > > Obviously if someone is willing to help, just get in touch. > > Cheers Marco > > Marco Bernasocchi > > QGIS.org Chair > OSGEO.org VP Europe > OPENGIS.ch CEO > http://berna.io > > On Thu, 12 Mar 2026, 18:15 Denis Rouzaud via QGIS-PSC, > wrote: > > That'd be also a big?+1 from me to go in a more modern and > welcoming way > It seems the path should not be too complex: > https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/11 > > Cheers, > Denis > > Le?jeu. 12 mars 2026 ??17:38, Jean Felder via QGIS-PSC > a ?crit?: > > Hi everyone, > > Thanks Valentin for raising this discussion. > > I also think migrating to Discourse is a good idea. > > I had the chance to experience the migration of the GNOME > project from a mailing list to discourse, and it was a > complete success. In particular: > - It allowed many people who found subscribing to a mailing > list too complicated to join the discussion (please, don?t try > to rationalize this. Yes, for some people, especially > newcomers, subscribing to a mailing list really is difficult) > - It created new discussions between project developers and > users. By users, I mean people who have lots of ideas or > feedback for the project but would never have created a GitHub > account > > For more information, here?s some feedback from the GNOME project: > > - > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/common-questions-re-mailman-to-discourse/11841 > - https://discourse.gnome.org/t/sub-categories/11733/6?u=trim > > > I also want to point out that it?s totally possible to use > Discourse directly from an email client. That?s one of > Discourse?s strengths. > See for example: > - > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 > - > https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/how-do-i-use-discourse-via-email/15279 > > > Cheers, > Jean > > > > > Le 09/03/2026 ? 21:17, Valentin Buira via QGIS-PSC a ?crit?: >> Hi PSC, >> >> As per my email subject, I would like to know more about the >> status of the migrating mailing list to OSGeo discourse, as >> it was announced?almost two years?ago on this mailing list [1] >> >> mailman is a venerable piece of software that?has served?us >> well for?the past 10 years, but the quality of life >> improvements everywhere else has made mailman pale in >> comparison?of what a 2026 collaborative platform could be. I >> think it's a good time to study the possibility?of migrating >> to discourse again. >> >> In random order a list of defavor argument for mailman and >> favor argument for discourse: >> >> * Answering to an email is super?tedious, I don't have a mail >> client installed on my computer and I found two workaround this: >> ? ?-? use the developer tools of my browser to find the right >> reply-to email. >> ? ?-? Or write the email first, then browse from my phone the >> web interface for the right mail to?answer to and finally >> click on it as my gmail app acts as a mail client. >> * No search function out of the box we have to rely on >> external service like : mail-archive.com >> ?it's fine if you have been in the >> project for 10 years but if you join recently there is a loss >> of informations. >> * Sometimes I want to answer a really old topic, but I don't >> because I don't want to pollute everybody else >> mailbox.?Discourse handles long-tail discussions more cleanly >> via threading >> * This one is a bit subjective BUT to me the current web >> interface looks like a scam website >> * Emojis support in discourse (I think they light up the mood >> sometimes ) >> * Blender, Gnome, Mozilla, pg-routing have all adopted it, >> and have not looked back. >> * Mobile support in discourse >> >> Last time the discussion came up, I feel like the arguments >> were really one sided, that's why I would like to open up the >> discussion again. >> >> I understand the concerns about the?migration, and if we >> don't want to dive in right away maybe we could have an >> experiment period of 6 months? Keep both side by side, give >> it a try, and I am convinced the concerns will fade quickly. >> >> Cheers, >> Valentin >> >> [1] >> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-developer/2024-April/066662.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> QGIS-PSC mailing list >> QGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.org >> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc > > > -- > Jean Felder > D?veloppeur SIG > Oslandia > > _______________________________________________ > QGIS-PSC mailing list > QGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc > > _______________________________________________ > QGIS-PSC mailing list > QGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc > > > _______________________________________________ > QGIS-PSC mailing list > QGIS-PSC at lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/qgis-psc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: