[Qgis-user] QGOS maps fort Garmin GPS

Saulteau Don sault.don at gmail.com
Sun Mar 5 17:50:15 PST 2017 

i also have a garmin 76csx and have used for a long time, still and for
closely for the same (original post) purpose, and there are some hard
limitations in the device regarding cartographic needs you need to
consider...

first, that device doesn't really support the new garmin raster type .map
overlays, and as a result is limited to tracks and waypoints. But it has an
excellent gps receiver with a microsd slot to allow uploads of large
amounts of data which is the bonus i like.

I haven't had a chance to test the Monterra from garmin which might allow
usage of apps like Avenza PDF Maps, which is really handy because with that
I can create high quality cartographic and custom maps to easily upload and
navigate with while making use of the excellent gps receiver.

i live in northern british columbia where the data is what it is so I
experience these tedious workarounds a lot!

it helps to learn the gpx format and fields/attributes that the device
looks for when seeking styling and as a result demands some creativity from
my end to get it into the device without having to style it in the device
(ex, 1st order streams vs the rest, trails > side road > public road >
highway, contours - intermediate etc...)

I primarily use DNRGPS application to interface with the garmin 76csx

Data awareness in BC is also something that comes in hand and learning how
to query those datasets effectively, like the Fresh Water Atlas (FWA) or
the Digital Road Atlas (DRA) to get started!

Also note that the latest Canvec 50k dataset for "most" of BC contains the
contour data found in TRIM BC - another bonus!



Donovan

Donovan

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Stephen Wandling <swandling at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Brent,
>
> OK.  You could have changed Robinson to Clough at the same time, if I had
> mentioned it.  But, the map is still missing Joe Smith Creek, which falls
> between Molyneux and Clough, and vast amounts of forks up the mountain for
> both of them.
>
> You may already know this, but you can get all the shape files at:
>
> http://www.scrd.ca/data-download
>
> If you can easily upload them to OSM, with their labels, then that would
> be useful to many people.  You can also get kmz files there.  Importing
> them into Google Map shows the line, but not the label.
>
> Through all of this, I have come to realize something huge.  And that is
> simply that OSM is a sat view map.  For my GPS, I am only interested in
> topo maps.  I see enough of the trees when I am up there, so all I want on
> the GPS is streams and trails.  I will work with the contour lines that are
> on existing GPS map.  OSM, seemingly based on Bing maps, would not server
> my purposes.
>
> Thanks for your insights, work and views.
>
> Stephen
>
>
> On 05/03/2017 3:23 PM, Brent Fraser wrote:
>
>> Stephen,
>>
>>   Based on the info from SCRD, I changed the name of Joe Smith Creek to
>> Molyneux Creek.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Brent Fraser
>>
>> On 3/5/2017 3:41 PM, Brent Fraser wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Stephan,
>>>
>>>   This discussion may belong on the OSM-Canada mailing list (
>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca) so others can comment.
>>>
>>>   All maps contain errors, some intentional, others by mistake, and
>>> still others due to the passage of time.  The great thing about OSM is you
>>> can correct them!  The OSM community holds local knowledge in very high
>>> regard, and one of the basic guidelines is "If you think the data is wrong,
>>> change it."  I find the quality of the data very good, perhaps due to the
>>> majority of the editors have a passion for mapping.
>>>
>>>   I had a look at Joe Smith Creek in OSM.  It was imported from Canvec
>>> v10 (the Fed 1:50k data), and named the same on the BC 1:20k sheet. If you
>>> like, I could change the name...
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Brent Fraser
>>>
>>> On 3/5/2017 2:01 PM, Stephen Wandling wrote:
>>>
>>>> Phil,
>>>>
>>>> For a government mapping agency to have a problem, it first has to
>>>> exist.  I am told that in 1992, British Columbia dismantled it's
>>>> cartography department and fired all of the cartographers. I am also told
>>>> that no work had been done on any of the 20K maps in the prior 10 years.
>>>> So, only the private resource extraction corporations have access to
>>>> up-to-date digital data and at a price that I certainly can not afford.
>>>>
>>>> I had a look at OSM mountain biking maps last night, your second link
>>>> below.  I could see that someone had probably 'walked' what they thought
>>>> was Joe Smith Creek with their GPS, and extended what had been on the base
>>>> map.  First, that is Molyneux creek and not Joe Smith, the base map was
>>>> wrong and secondly that creek comes from a large number of forks up the
>>>> mountain, so they only dealt with a small percentage of it's reach.  My
>>>> immediate thought was "This is Wikipedia for Cartography!". Errors laid
>>>> upon errors. No use of local knowledge or the Streams shape files available
>>>> on the Regional District's site.
>>>>
>>>> That is a can of worms I am not interested in delving into.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Stephen
>>>>
>>>> On 04/03/2017 8:28 PM, Phil (The Geek) Wyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No problems Stephen,
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately many government agencies can't keep up with edits of new
>>>>> tracks/trails but that is the beauty of Open Street Map. Your contribution,
>>>>> by adding tracks, means that all the folks making derivative products get
>>>>> the benefits. You also get the benefit of their knowledge in the creation
>>>>> of products to suit your GPS. Indeed you can even use OSM mapping as a
>>>>> background in QGIS so you get the same benefits immediately.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have some GPS files, drop me a few and I will get them loaded
>>>>> for you to get you started.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Mountain bike community are quite active in some areas and have
>>>>> great wiki information on tagging for trails
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mountain_biking
>>>>>
>>>>> https://openmtbmap.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers - Phil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Stephen Wandling [mailto:swandling at gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 12:14 PM
>>>>> To: Phil (The Geek) Wyatt
>>>>> Cc: qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] QGOS maps fort Garmin GPS
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil,
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone suggested the same OSM approach in an off list email. Here was
>>>>> my response:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have just taken a look at OSM, and the maps there, for my area of
>>>>>> interest, are taken from the ancient (pre 1992) British
>>>>>> Columbia/Canada maps that are very incomplete and riddled with errors.
>>>>>> It is because there are no accurate maps of this area that I resumed
>>>>>> my struggles with GIS and have been making maps and having them
>>>>>> plotted.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The areas I am creating maps for are entirely forest areas, with
>>>>> streams, trails, roads, parks and that is about it.  No buildings, streets,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the last 20 years or so the mountain bikers and hikers, have put in
>>>>> and documented hundreds of kilometers of trails along this coast.  The OSM
>>>>> maps have a single digit percentage of what is here now.  And many they do
>>>>> have have been obliterated by clear cut logging operations.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been making simple maps, that meet my needs, and having them
>>>>> plotted at a local facility for $15 each, which is cheaper than the
>>>>> incomplete/error ridden maps that one can purchase.  I use these maps to
>>>>> travel through this area on foot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I wanted a better map for my GPS.  So far, no luck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/03/2017 4:28 PM, Phil (The Geek) Wyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Depending on the size of the area involved and how 'custom' your maps
>>>>>> are likely to be you may be better off looking at solutions from OSM.
>>>>>> There are many sites that create files suitable for Garmin GPS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the areas are small you could also create KMZ (Google Earth Files)
>>>>>> and transfer them to your garmin device. These can be created in QGIS. Look
>>>>>> at the plugin GarminCustomMap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers - Phil
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Stephen Wandling
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 11:03 AM
>>>>>> To: qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Qgis-user] QGOS maps fort Garmin GPS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am running QGIS 2.18.3 and am at a very early learning stage.  I
>>>>>> wish to create simple maps, with 2 or 3 shape files for my Garmin GPSMaps
>>>>>> 76CSx.  This map would consist of Trails and Streams shp files and maybe
>>>>>> Contours.  It would also be accepted by Mapsource and Base Camp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There were some tutorials that seemed like they were what I wanted,
>>>>>> but they all failed in one regard or another: 1.) They were using an
>>>>>> 'ancient' version of qgis.  2.) The maps they produced worked in just about
>>>>>> every Garmin GPS except the one I own.  3.) They use a plug-in with a
>>>>>> disclaimer that it will demolish my data.  There were other issues, but my
>>>>>> memory fails me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone out there is familiar with my situation (and possibly has
>>>>>> the same GPS) and can either point me to a site I missed, or outline the
>>>>>> steps for me, I would be grateful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [If it is easier to do in ArcMap, I have access to the ESRI software
>>>>>> also.]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please keep in mind that while I have a general idea about GIS work
>>>>>> and have been making some maps, for plotting, that satisfy my needs, I get
>>>>>> very lost when I am subjected to acronyms and technical jargon.  If is not
>>>>>> clear and straightforward, it will probably be wasted on me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>>
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