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<p>I don't think it's necessarily ignorance - the word unstable
means "no stable; not firm or firmly fixed; unsteady" [1]. At my
old place of employment software that was in any way related to
the work "unstable" would never get installed or tested. <br>
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<p>UbuntuGIS-unstable isn't unstable. BUT - it has that word
associated with it. It is confusing for users. If we told the
windows users to grab their installation files from a directory
labeled <b>unstable</b> there would be much unhappiness. <br>
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<p>[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.dictionary.com/browse/unstable">http://www.dictionary.com/browse/unstable</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/13/2016 10:51 AM, Blumentrath,
Stefan wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">Even if the users are aware of the fact that
ubuntugis-unstable contains the current releases, it can be
hard to impossible to convince a GIS-ignorant system
administrator that it is OK to install “unstable” packages.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">But this issue is not a QGIS issue I guess...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Randal Hale<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13. september 2016 16:45<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org">qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-user] Ubuntu updating
instructions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 09/13/2016 10:23 AM, Jürgen E. Fischer
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<pre>Hi Randal,<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>On Tue, 13. Sep 2016 at 00:21:21 -0400, Randal Hale wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>It's a little bit confusing. There are like three repositories:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>stable, unstable, and testing. Testing you don't want (unless you<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>want to test packages). Typically stable is a bit older. Unstable is<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>current. Which doesn't really make sense - but that's the way it is.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Not like it matters much in this case.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>We have packages in qgis.org/debian/ against the plain versions of the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>distributions (debian and **ubuntu**) and in qgis/ubuntugis/ packages against<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>newer dependencies from - and only from - ubuntugis-unstable.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Looks like it's hard for people to accept that there are also ubuntu packages<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>in a directory called debian and that probably makes them jump on the other<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>because it has ubuntu in it's name.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was thinking about it last night (and I
was up way to late) and it is a bit confusing for the casual
user. They've installed Ubuntu (or mint/debian/xubuntu/etc)
and they may not understand ubuntu is based off debian. So
like you said - they see debian but want to use Ubuntu. They
go to UbuntuGIS and they see the repositories for UbuntuGIS
and the choice is unstable (and no one likes unstable
software) and stable (which doesn't contain the newest
software). So you end up going "Use Unstable because it's
stable and current". <br>
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<pre>Under my /etc/apt/sources.list.d directory I made a qgis.list file<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>and put the following in there:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>deb <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://qgis.org/debian">http://qgis.org/debian</a> xenial main<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>deb <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu">http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu</a> xenial main<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Why? That are the packages not based on ubuntugis with the dependencies from<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>ubuntugis.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do I have this wrong? I thought I had the
repositories for the install correct based off the directions
on qgis.org. Which I could completely have it wrong. With the
above repos I'm getting QGIS 2.16.x and GDAL 2.1.x.
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<pre>Jürgen<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Randal Hale<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>North River Geographic Systems, Inc<o:p></o:p></pre>
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