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Donovan,<br>
<br>
Greeting to the far North. I am down here on the Sunshine Coast. We
both get to struggle with BC's lack of a map branch since 1992. How
far up there are you? Are you Saulteau? <br>
<br>
Good info about the 76CSx. That it will not accept raster .map
overlays. But, are you saying that with DNRGPS
you can you can get streams and trails into this GPS? That would be
just fine. You give me hope.<br>
<br>
Data awareness is a pond I barely have a toe in. I have downloaded the
Canvec 50K and use their contours. The local regional district offers
free kml/dwg/shp files for all of the features I add to my maps.<br>
<br>
I will check out DNRGPS.<br>
<br>
Stephen<br>
<br>
On 05/03/2017 5:50 PM, Saulteau Don wrote:
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cite="mid:CAJo0jfPCY+OY8eXMi4QE_3pNN1zr=-giXTEQW5GDjgP1j9zUiQ@mail.gmail.com"
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<pre wrap="">i also have a garmin 76csx and have used for a long time, still and for
closely for the same (original post) purpose, and there are some hard
limitations in the device regarding cartographic needs you need to
consider...
first, that device doesn't really support the new garmin raster type .map
overlays, and as a result is limited to tracks and waypoints. But it has an
excellent gps receiver with a microsd slot to allow uploads of large
amounts of data which is the bonus i like.
I haven't had a chance to test the Monterra from garmin which might allow
usage of apps like Avenza PDF Maps, which is really handy because with that
I can create high quality cartographic and custom maps to easily upload and
navigate with while making use of the excellent gps receiver.
i live in northern british columbia where the data is what it is so I
experience these tedious workarounds a lot!
it helps to learn the gpx format and fields/attributes that the device
looks for when seeking styling and as a result demands some creativity from
my end to get it into the device without having to style it in the device
(ex, 1st order streams vs the rest, trails > side road > public road >
highway, contours - intermediate etc...)
I primarily use DNRGPS application to interface with the garmin 76csx
Data awareness in BC is also something that comes in hand and learning how
to query those datasets effectively, like the Fresh Water Atlas (FWA) or
the Digital Road Atlas (DRA) to get started!
Also note that the latest Canvec 50k dataset for "most" of BC contains the
contour data found in TRIM BC - another bonus!
Donovan
Donovan
On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Stephen Wandling <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:swandling@gmail.com"><swandling@gmail.com></a>
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<pre wrap="">Brent,
OK. You could have changed Robinson to Clough at the same time, if I had
mentioned it. But, the map is still missing Joe Smith Creek, which falls
between Molyneux and Clough, and vast amounts of forks up the mountain for
both of them.
You may already know this, but you can get all the shape files at:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.scrd.ca/data-download">http://www.scrd.ca/data-download</a>
If you can easily upload them to OSM, with their labels, then that would
be useful to many people. You can also get kmz files there. Importing
them into Google Map shows the line, but not the label.
Through all of this, I have come to realize something huge. And that is
simply that OSM is a sat view map. For my GPS, I am only interested in
topo maps. I see enough of the trees when I am up there, so all I want on
the GPS is streams and trails. I will work with the contour lines that are
on existing GPS map. OSM, seemingly based on Bing maps, would not server
my purposes.
Thanks for your insights, work and views.
Stephen
On 05/03/2017 3:23 PM, Brent Fraser wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Stephen,
Based on the info from SCRD, I changed the name of Joe Smith Creek to
Molyneux Creek.
Best Regards,
Brent Fraser
On 3/5/2017 3:41 PM, Brent Fraser wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hey Stephan,
This discussion may belong on the OSM-Canada mailing list (
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca">https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca</a>) so others can comment.
All maps contain errors, some intentional, others by mistake, and
still others due to the passage of time. The great thing about OSM is you
can correct them! The OSM community holds local knowledge in very high
regard, and one of the basic guidelines is "If you think the data is wrong,
change it." I find the quality of the data very good, perhaps due to the
majority of the editors have a passion for mapping.
I had a look at Joe Smith Creek in OSM. It was imported from Canvec
v10 (the Fed 1:50k data), and named the same on the BC 1:20k sheet. If you
like, I could change the name...
Best Regards,
Brent Fraser
On 3/5/2017 2:01 PM, Stephen Wandling wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Phil,
For a government mapping agency to have a problem, it first has to
exist. I am told that in 1992, British Columbia dismantled it's
cartography department and fired all of the cartographers. I am also told
that no work had been done on any of the 20K maps in the prior 10 years.
So, only the private resource extraction corporations have access to
up-to-date digital data and at a price that I certainly can not afford.
I had a look at OSM mountain biking maps last night, your second link
below. I could see that someone had probably 'walked' what they thought
was Joe Smith Creek with their GPS, and extended what had been on the base
map. First, that is Molyneux creek and not Joe Smith, the base map was
wrong and secondly that creek comes from a large number of forks up the
mountain, so they only dealt with a small percentage of it's reach. My
immediate thought was "This is Wikipedia for Cartography!". Errors laid
upon errors. No use of local knowledge or the Streams shape files available
on the Regional District's site.
That is a can of worms I am not interested in delving into.
Cheers,
Stephen
On 04/03/2017 8:28 PM, Phil (The Geek) Wyatt wrote:
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<pre wrap="">No problems Stephen,
Unfortunately many government agencies can't keep up with edits of new
tracks/trails but that is the beauty of Open Street Map. Your contribution,
by adding tracks, means that all the folks making derivative products get
the benefits. You also get the benefit of their knowledge in the creation
of products to suit your GPS. Indeed you can even use OSM mapping as a
background in QGIS so you get the same benefits immediately.
If you have some GPS files, drop me a few and I will get them loaded
for you to get you started.
The Mountain bike community are quite active in some areas and have
great wiki information on tagging for trails
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mountain_biking">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mountain_biking</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://openmtbmap.org/">https://openmtbmap.org/</a>
Cheers - Phil
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Phil,
Someone suggested the same OSM approach in an off list email. Here was
my response:
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<pre wrap="">I have just taken a look at OSM, and the maps there, for my area of
interest, are taken from the ancient (pre 1992) British
Columbia/Canada maps that are very incomplete and riddled with errors.
It is because there are no accurate maps of this area that I resumed
my struggles with GIS and have been making maps and having them
plotted.
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<pre wrap="">The areas I am creating maps for are entirely forest areas, with
streams, trails, roads, parks and that is about it. No buildings, streets,
etc.
In the last 20 years or so the mountain bikers and hikers, have put in
and documented hundreds of kilometers of trails along this coast. The OSM
maps have a single digit percentage of what is here now. And many they do
have have been obliterated by clear cut logging operations.
I have been making simple maps, that meet my needs, and having them
plotted at a local facility for $15 each, which is cheaper than the
incomplete/error ridden maps that one can purchase. I use these maps to
travel through this area on foot.
Now I wanted a better map for my GPS. So far, no luck.
Stephen
On 04/03/2017 4:28 PM, Phil (The Geek) Wyatt wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Depending on the size of the area involved and how 'custom' your maps
are likely to be you may be better off looking at solutions from OSM.
There are many sites that create files suitable for Garmin GPS
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/">http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/</a>
If the areas are small you could also create KMZ (Google Earth Files)
and transfer them to your garmin device. These can be created in QGIS. Look
at the plugin GarminCustomMap.
Cheers - Phil
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Subject: [Qgis-user] QGOS maps fort Garmin GPS
I am running QGIS 2.18.3 and am at a very early learning stage. I
wish to create simple maps, with 2 or 3 shape files for my Garmin GPSMaps
76CSx. This map would consist of Trails and Streams shp files and maybe
Contours. It would also be accepted by Mapsource and Base Camp.
There were some tutorials that seemed like they were what I wanted,
but they all failed in one regard or another: 1.) They were using an
'ancient' version of qgis. 2.) The maps they produced worked in just about
every Garmin GPS except the one I own. 3.) They use a plug-in with a
disclaimer that it will demolish my data. There were other issues, but my
memory fails me.
If someone out there is familiar with my situation (and possibly has
the same GPS) and can either point me to a site I missed, or outline the
steps for me, I would be grateful.
[If it is easier to do in ArcMap, I have access to the ESRI software
also.]
Please keep in mind that while I have a general idea about GIS work
and have been making some maps, for plotting, that satisfy my needs, I get
very lost when I am subjected to acronyms and technical jargon. If is not
clear and straightforward, it will probably be wasted on me.
TIA,
Stephen
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