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<p>You have cited that the issue is with Ubuntugis. Ubuntugis is not
hosted by Qgis, and they have therefore no direct control over the
versions of packages there. Hence the packages there are causing
issues.</p>
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<p>The issue with support for Xenial is not directly a Qgis
responsibility. It is relying on (a) the lack of support from the
Ubuntu official repositories and (b) the lack of timely updating
of the third party Ubuntugis repository. Neither of those is under
the control of Qgis.</p>
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</p>
<p>The question is whether the LTS support for Ubuntu 16.04 is a
guarantee that every available piece of software will work on it
for the LTS period. I doubt that is absolutely guaranteed.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The only versions of Qgis that require Ubuntugis are those built
for Xenial and earlier versions of Ubuntu. It is not required for
later versions of Ubuntu as the required packages are included in
those distros standard repositories.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>So if you have an issue that is caused by Ubuntugis then one
possible solution is to have a distro that is based with a later
version of Ubuntu than Xenial. Linux Mint 18.x is based on Xenial.
When Mint was first launched they used to be up to date with
releases based on up to date Ubuntus, now they are falling so far
behind that the latest Mint, 18.x, is based on Xenial. Since
Xenial, Ubuntu has released Yakkety, Zesty and is about to release
Artful.</p>
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</p>
<p>I have verified that Qgis 2.18.13 runs without any problems with
this GRASS plugin on Ubuntu 17.04 and Debian 9.1. None of these
require Ubuntugis and I have not used it in the list of
repositories for installing the software from.</p>
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</p>
<p>To solve your problem you have basically three choices</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>1. Install a suitable version of [a]Ubuntu or Debian on your PC</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>2. Install a desktop hypervisor like VirtualBox and build a
virtual machine for a suitable version of [a]Ubuntu or Debian to
run Qgis in</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>3. Wait until Ubuntugis works.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I don't see particularly a problem with recommending either 1 or
2 as options, just because Ubuntu is supporting Xenial as an LTS
doesn't mean everything available is guaranteed to work on it. The
fact you have to use ubuntigis is because the standard Ubuntu
repositories don't contain the required packages. There are other
issues with the Xenial packages for Qgis, including an older
version of Qt on that platform that causes rounding issues when
displaying floating point numbers.<br>
</p>
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</p>
<p>Feel free to contact the developers or report a bug if you are
still concerned. You may also wish to contact the ubuntugis
maintainers.<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/09/17 01:50, Micha Silver wrote:<br>
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Hi Patrick<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/26/2017 02:10 PM, Patrick
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<p>The issue is, even the latest version of Mint is based on
Xenial - you don't have the means to upgrade the base.</p>
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<p>If I have a later version of Ubuntu or Debian than Xenial I
don't need to use the ubuntugis repository - problem solved.
Qgis do not provide the ubuntugis repository so they obviously
have limited means to ensure the packages there are up to
date. So the best solution is not to use ubuntugis if there
are issues like this.</p>
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<p>Not sure I follow you. From the QGIS download page the
recommended repo for ubuntu *is ubuntugis* and has been for
ages, if I'm not mistaken. That's where all the recent packages
are. There are tons of mails in the archive regarding
ubuntugis-unstable vs ubuntugis-nightly vs ubuntugis. But the
discussion is always around ubuntugis. Please correct me if I'm
wrong. <br>
</p>
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<p>If I remove that repo (from Mint or Ubuntu) I go back to QGIS
2.14.x, which is now no longer the LTS version, and will
probably not be supported any longer.</p>
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<p>I don't think it's reasonable to say that Xenial - only 1.5
years old - is not going to be supported. Many people don't need
or want the bleeding edge software, be we do expect that an OS
and applications will work for several years. All we ask is not
to push out new versions until the whole stack is ready. Since
this problem with GRASS has happened before and always has been
fixed within a few days, it's obvious to me that somehow
packages are pushed out to the repo before the whole system has
been checked thoroughly. So I don't think there's a problem with
the underlying OS, or which repo to use.<br>
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<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Micha<br>
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<p>There is not a guarantee to support every distro out there
and the most stable option is to use a supported distro.<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/09/17 23:27, Bernd
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Am 26.09.2017, 10:40 Uhr, schrieb Patrick Dunford <a
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href="mailto:blackwhitekez@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><blackwhitekez@gmail.com></a>:<br>
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<p>There are some issues supporting xenial, are you able to
test on a more recent version of Ubuntu or Debian, maybe
in a virtual machine. I am going to have a look at my
17.04 vm with the latest 2.18 to see.</p>
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<div>I wonder why xenial should have support issues, being the
LTS-version.</div>
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<p>I would not recommend Mint - apart from being not an
officially supported distro, the most recent version is
based on what is now relatively old Ubuntu xenial, because
the Mint people are falling behind in development. I
switched to Xubuntu to avoid the Unity controversy.</p>
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<div>Mint also has updates, so I do not see the point
switching to somewhere else. The main problem here is imho
that ubuntugis-unstable and the qgis repositories are very
often out of sync. But a QGIS without all the bells and
whistles from ubuntugis is quite useless for me.</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Bernd</div>
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After the recent update to QGIS 2.18.13, GRASS support is
gone. No plugin and no provider. <br>
<br>
My apt sources includes:<br>
deb <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://qgis.org/ubuntugis" moz-do-not-send="true">http://qgis.org/ubuntugis</a>
xenial main<br>
deb-src <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://qgis.org/ubuntugis" moz-do-not-send="true">http://qgis.org/ubuntugis</a>
xenial main<br>
deb <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu</a>
xenial main<br>
deb-src <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu</a>
xenial main<br>
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The packages are installed:<br>
$ dpkg -l | grep plugin-grass<br>
ii qgis-plugin-grass
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64
GRASS plugin for QGIS<br>
ii qgis-plugin-grass-common
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis all
GRASS plugin for QGIS - architecture-independent data<br>
$ dpkg -l | grep provider-grass<br>
ii qgis-provider-grass
1:2.18.13+24xenial-ubuntugis amd64
GRASS provider for QGIS<br>
<br>
More info:<br>
$ gdalinfo --version<br>
GDAL 2.2.1, released 2017/06/23<br>
$ grass --version<br>
GRASS GIS 7.2.2<br>
<br>
Running 'qgis --debug & ' does not show anything
unusual.<br>
<br>
This is getting tiresome - every few months a routine
system upgrade trashes GRASS support.<br>
<br>
Any suggestions are welcome,<br>
Thanks, Micha<br>
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