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<p>Hi Jürgen,</p>
<p>You are not offended because you have probably never been
repeatedly told not to speak German in Germany. For people who do
not live in a country where this is often the case, I understand
they cannot relate to what I am stating. My rant is culturally -
country specific and perhaps, not appropriate for this forum. I
acknowledge this but I am tying to make people aware of a
situation that can really tick people off.</p>
<p>I understand this list is primarily used by people who understand
english and that this facilitates communication. I usually
publish in English, or write on this list in English for this very
same reason. I agree that pointing people to language specific
list can help those who have a poor understanding, or no
understanding of English. I have done that in the past and have
also translated messages from French or Spanish to English when I
see unilingual posts, even when I don't know the answers to the
questions. This way they can still get helped and others can
benefit from the post as you point out. Unfortunately, the other
lists that I have visited are not as dynamic as this one... but
that's another story.<br>
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<p>You don't get my last point because, in your case (and in the
case of most developers) you have <u>chosen</u> to communicate in
English for all the good reasons and are not regularly mocked at
when using your mother language in public. You are not from a
country where you are expected to speak in English and to make
that effort while anglophones (in my case) are not making any
efforts to communicate with you in French. While this is
thankfully changing in Canada as more and more anglophones learn
French and make the efforts (and are actually starting to realize
the importance of learning more than just one language), this is
not the case in other countries like the US where Spanish speaking
people are often the target of outright racism and regularly told
"this is an English speaking country". <br>
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<p>I too appreciate the use of English in this list, specially when
the writer is German, Austrian or from Iceland because Google
translation just does not cut it when talking in technical terms.
I am simply stating that this is a courtesy to be appreciated and
not to be taken for granted. While Europeans regularly speak many
languages, this is a richness not appreciated in many parts of
North America. <br>
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<p>Yours truly,<br>
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<p>Nicolas Cadieux<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-10-19 10:22 AM, Jürgen E.
Fischer wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Hi Nicolas,
On Fri, 19. Oct 2018 at 09:07:36 -0400, Nicolas Cadieux wrote:
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<pre wrap="">This is a public rant. I find it extremely offensive to read comments like
“this is the English list” to people who write to this list in any other
language than English.
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I don't. This is the main user list and it's in English - because that's the
language everyone here understands - if you don't understand English, there's
not much point subscribing in the first place.
Using a language other than that excludes the majority of the subscribers from
benefiting from what is being said and from contributing to the discussion.
And I don't find a response that clarifies this and also points to a better
suited list offensive either. Maybe even with a English translation if the
original posting seems relevant to all.
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<pre wrap="">If you disagree, please note that the QGIS site refers to this list as the
“The MAIN list for user questions: used for discussion of QGIS in general, as
well as specific questions regarding its installation and use.” The MAIN
list... not the ENGLISH list. This message is also repeated in other
languages as can be seen here.
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<pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.qgis.org/fr/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html#">https://www.qgis.org/fr/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html#</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.qgis.org/es/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html#">https://www.qgis.org/es/site/getinvolved/mailinglists.html#</a>
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Hm, that might be a translation issue. We used to point to local lists there
(eg. <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:fossgis-talk-liste@fossgis.de">fossgis-talk-liste@fossgis.de</a> for German) - but that's apparently
meanwhile gone.If you are still offended, please keep in mind that QGIS is primarily, to my
knowledge, a European effort made by people who have German, Austrio-German,
Spanish, French, Italian and other as their first language and that they are
developing in English, their second, third or forth language. You should be
grateful for their efforts to reach out the international community in a
language spoken a cross the world.
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I don't get that point. Developer's post in English here. Developer's - at
least I do - also prefer others to post in English here. And if somebody
posted in German, I'd probably point the person off-list to the above list.
Jürgen
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