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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Yes, let us all make lists of all the things we want people to condemn before they can participate in QGIS support and development. . . . (NOT!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Ari Meyer <ari.meyer@gmail.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 24, 2022 1:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jeff Sonnentag <jsonnentag@llenviroinc.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Qgis-user] Help Ukraine, Boycott Russia<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do agree that such a boycott is problematic, in the same way that boycotting apolitical Chinese organizations for China's crimes against humanity is problematic. But I do agree with Markus that Russia's actions here are abominable.
I think a reasonable compromise, FWIW, could be that Russian QGIS devs/users, at least those in the diaspora, unequivocally condemn Russian aggression and declare solidarity with Ukraine, or make some similar declaration.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 1:49 PM Jeff Sonnentag <<a href="mailto:jsonnentag@llenviroinc.com">jsonnentag@llenviroinc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You can have another "Fully agreed with Andreas" from here. . . .<br>
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Would you be overjoyed and supportive of a "boycott" of QGIS if it comes out anybody in any war is using it for mapping stuff?<br>
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People could come up with all kinds of places considered "civilized" that went/are way off the tracks on COVID BS. Want to ban participation of all the other people who live under tyrants too?<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Qgis-user <<a href="mailto:qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">qgis-user-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>> On Behalf Of Paolo Cavallini<br>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 4:53 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Help Ukraine, Boycott Russia<br>
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Fully agreed with Andreas. We try to make the world a better, more free place by developing QGIS with a free and open source licence, let's stick to this and welcome any contribution.<br>
Cheers.<br>
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Il 24/02/22 13:29, Andreas Neumann ha scritto:<br>
> Dear Markus,<br>
> <br>
> This is a really difficult topic that you raise here. While I agree <br>
> that the aggression from the Putin regime should be condemned, I am <br>
> against excluding Russian QGIS contributors and sustaining members. If <br>
> we start excluding countries and organizations on such assumptions - <br>
> where do we draw the line? The majority of today's world population <br>
> unfortunately has to live in problematic conditions, when it concerns <br>
> democracy and dictators. Also - where should be draw the line on what <br>
> is ethical use of QGIS and what not? Is oil exploration utilizing QGIS <br>
> software allowed, as an example?<br>
> <br>
> As the current <a href="http://QGIS.ORG" target="_blank">QGIS.ORG</a> <<a href="http://QGIS.ORG" target="_blank">http://QGIS.ORG</a>> treasurer I can say that we
<br>
> had a sustaining member from Russia last year - there is no indication <br>
> that this company is collaborating with the Putin government - though <br>
> it is of course a bit hard to judge - of course - for outsiders.<br>
> <br>
> The vast majority of the Russian population is probably suffering from <br>
> Putin's politics - my guess is that the majority of the Russian <br>
> population would like to live in peace and prosperity and not be <br>
> involved in such war and aggression. But do they have a real choice?<br>
> Fair elections? I doubt it ... In that sense I am against excluding <br>
> Russian QGIS users and contributors based on these events.<br>
> <br>
> We also have QGIS contributors from Ukraine who are now affected by <br>
> this aggression - let's be supportive when there could be Ukrainian <br>
> refugees in the coming months - and let's hope that this situation can <br>
> soon be deescalated.<br>
> <br>
> Greetings,<br>
> Andreas<br>
> <br>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 10:09, <a href="mailto:landconsult@freenet.de" target="_blank">
landconsult@freenet.de</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:landconsult@freenet.de" target="_blank">landconsult@freenet.de</a>> <<a href="mailto:landconsult@freenet.de" target="_blank">landconsult@freenet.de</a>
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> <mailto:<a href="mailto:landconsult@freenet.de" target="_blank">landconsult@freenet.de</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Dear List,<br>
> <br>
> like all free people in the world I totally condemn the Russian<br>
> invasion in Ukraine this morning. This is an attack on the free<br>
> world and especially on Europe and on all values of freedom which we<br>
> all represent in a global, peaceful open source community.<br>
> <br>
> - So, what can each individual do to defend this freedom?<br>
> - What can the QGIS community do?<br>
> - How can we be sure, that the know-how we develop will not be used<br>
> for Russian military purposes against the Ukraine?<br>
> <br>
> The invasion was confirmed by the Duma, the Russian parliament which<br>
> is the representative body of the Russian people. Consequently the<br>
> Russian population bears responsibility for the invasion and we<br>
> should led them know, that military force against an independent,<br>
> free and democratic European country goes against all the values <br>
> we stand for in the open source community.<br>
> <br>
> The least we can do is starting to think about a boycott of Russian<br>
> products and Russian co-operations to express our opinion to all<br>
> Russian companies and partners we know. Finally its up to the<br>
> ordinary Russian man to change this unbearable situation which is<br>
> becoming a permanent threat to free Europe.<br>
> <br>
> With this respect the QGIS developer community should also think<br>
> about excluding Russian partners and sponsors from all QGIS<br>
> activities as long as Russian troops are in the Ukraine.<br>
> <br>
> I think, the values of freedom we stand for, is the highest good we<br>
> must defend!<br>
> <br>
> How do you think about it?<br>
> <br>
> Very concerned greeting.<br>
> <br>
> Markus Weidenbach<br>
> landConsult.de<br>
> Bühl/Germany<br>
> <br>
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