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    <p>For data storage and manipulation databases are suitable. Files
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    <p>Geopackages are wonderful to transfer data between systems or to
      archive an entire project (snapshot of data, styles and the
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        discussed 5 years ago and SMB file sharing is very common? Would
        a linux based NAS be able to use another protocol? What are my
        options for file based data sharing in QGIS? Abandoning
        geopackages is not a realistic option for me, but I could get a
        different kind of NAS unit, if that helps, what kind then? What
        amazes me is how little I see this discussed. There was a
        message in this thread this morning from Thomas Struller, but I
        am not sure it is about the same root problem, maybe Thomas can
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          Sadowski Jarosław <<a href="mailto:jaroslaw.sadowski@cpk.pl" target="_blank">jaroslaw.sadowski@cpk.pl</a>>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Long story
                    short: gpkg is bad idea for network drives as
                    SMB/NAS etc</span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Sources:<br>
                  </span><a href="https://www.sqlite.org/wal.html#advantages" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">Write-Ahead Logging (sqlite.org)</span></a></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://github.com/r-spatial/sf/issues/628" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">writing gpkg and sqlite on samba
                      shares fails · Issue #628 · r-spatial/sf · GitHub</span></a></p>
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                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Árni Geirsson via QGIS-User<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 16, 2023 10:18 AM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:jhubbslist@att.net" target="_blank">jhubbslist@att.net</a><br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Qgis-user]
                        Geopackage slow on NAS if not read-only</span></p>
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                      spoza CPK Sp. z o.o. Proszę pomóż zadbać o
                      bezpieczeństwo naszej organizacji.
                    </span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Zastanów
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                        as I know, the NAS unit uses SMB as the file
                        sharing protocol. I used another NAS from QNAP
                        before this one, also using SMB and with the
                        same problem. I thought pretty much all of the
                        Linux based NAS units were using SMB and if that
                        is the problem, it should be widespread, but I
                        don't see any signs of that. Is SMB a problem
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                          quick test in QGIS: A dataset of 178.000 line
                          features is rendered in about 1 second from a
                          read only geopackage. When I remove the read
                          only flag, it is rendered in about 5 seconds.</span></p>
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                          the geopackage on the local hard drive, the
                          problem disappears, read-write or read-only
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Are
                              you using SMB/CIFS to access this NAS, and
                              are you using wifi or Ethernet to connect
                              to it?</span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On
                              3/15/23 3:30 PM, Árni Geirsson via
                              QGIS-User wrote:</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hello
                                all QGIS and geopackage users. </span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I
                                  store my geopackages on a Synology
                                  RackStation NAS unit, like all other
                                  documents that are kept on a shared
                                  drive in the office. For larger
                                  datasets, the rendering is very slow,
                                  unless I open the properties dialog
                                  for the file in Windows and check the
                                  read only box. After that, the
                                  features are rendered blazingly fast.
                                  Nothing else is changed to see the
                                  dramatic difference in the rendering
                                  speed. Luckily, I don't need to edit
                                  many of the larger datasets, such as
                                  road networks and elevation contours
                                  and the geopackage can be kept read
                                  only. Shapefiles are not affected.</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">What
                                  explains this and does anyone know how
                                  to solve the problem? </span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Do
                                  other users experience this?</span></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Árni
                                                          Geirsson</span></p>
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