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<body><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Hi Régis,</p>
<br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">It seems the "end of life" refers to the Mailman 2, and there's no desire to migrate to Mailman3, which in my view is a pity as the <a href="https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-users@mailman3.org/latest?count=50&page=1">archives</a> at least look like a nice piece of work.</p>
<br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">I'm currently considering migrating a small list from mailman2 to mailman3 and wonder if you would mind explaining a little further those "not conclusive" tests.</p>
<br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Can you advise when it's proposed to close the qgis-user list?</p>
<br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">And what will happen to the archives which to my mind represent the collective work of many contributors and a valuable piece of knowledge? </p>
<br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Thanks</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Tony</p>
<br /><p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">On Thursday 4 April 2024 6:27:24 PM ACDT Régis Haubourg via QGIS-User wrote:</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> Hi Tony,</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> we know about mailman3 rewrite. from the tests of SAC and other</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> projects, it was not conclusive.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> About keeping both system, this is the best way to fragment a bit more</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> our community, which already is dispersed through too many channels.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> This is the problem we want to fix here. This is a hard requirement in</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> this move, ie stay DRY.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> Gnome, Mozilla and Ubuntu are all fighting against the same issue. We</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> try to clarify which should be the official channels, and still want to</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> offer communication means that are really used. From my perspective, I</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> use Discourse mainly by mail, and have the additionnal possibility of</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> using the web UI to write markdown , add images and color syntaxed code.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> I woud not see the benefit of having to "also" keep monitoring other</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> mailing lists.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> Cheers</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> On 04/04/2024 01:07, Tony Bazeley via QGIS-User wrote:</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> > I'm not against new communication channels, but imagine the maximum ></p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> > benefit would be obtained by adding a discourse channel while</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> keeping > the mailing list channel, and perhaps reviewing use after a</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> period of > time. > > And just BTW, Mailman has just completed an</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> upgrade to a major new > version so I'd be interested to learn the basis</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> of claims for "end of > life" > > On Thursday 4 April 2024 8:53:47 AM</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> ACDT Greg Troxel via QGIS-User > wrote: >> What I meant mostly is two</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> things: >> >> People like me tend not to be happy about things turning</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> into >> forums and are likely to participate less. As an example, >></p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> openstreetmap moved from mailinglists to forums and I have not, so >> I</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> interract far far less and spend more time on other things. I am >></p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> probably somewhat unusual (started doing email in the 70s), and >> here</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> probably only strk thinks I"m normal :-) >> >> My perception, perhaps</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> off base, is that discourse facilitates >> people showing up, posting a</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> question, and getting replies to the >> question, without also getting</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> delivered to them everything else >> on the "mailing list". Thus I</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> expect a lot more help desk type >> interactions, where new people ask a</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> question and don't really >> engage, rather than joining the community.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> Many projects have >> communities of long-term participants who get to</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> know each other. >> Partly from on-list, but partly from off-list</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> converstations which >> are enabled by getting emails with the other</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> person's email >> address. I don't see this happening in a discourse</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> world. I'm not >> arguing there are no mechanisms and that people could</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> not make it >> happen. I am saying that I expect it to happen much less</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> in >> practice. >> >> I don't have any good ideas about the first</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> pointl. >> >> The second point could be addressed by allowing web</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> signup, but >> allowing posting only if one has email delivery of all</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> messages, >> and having the From: address be the person, and not</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> breaking DKIM >> signatures. In short, having the email interface be a</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> first-class >> non-broken mailinglist, while also having a forum view.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> </p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> >> >> (I've dropped psc because it doesn't allow non-members to send.)</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> >> </p>
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