[SAC] DNS domain for telascience servers

[Jo Walsh]

dear all, sorry for the lag, i've been at OSCON all week with no
computer... 

Daniel this makes a lot of sense to me. Yes, geodata.osgeo.org right now 
is our project site / project pages. As a project chair I am 100% not
happy with what we have on CollabNet, and would *like* to redirect
geodata.osgeo as soon as we can find an alternative which also allows
us to start managing mailing list+archive hosting. But this is a
discussion for another time... :)

At the last geodata meeting we agreed to use a subdomain of
geodata.osgeo.org to point to what is currently
geodata.telascience.org - dev.geodata.osgeo.org ,
find.geodata.osgeo.org , phat.pile.of.geodata.osgeo.org etc, and i
will submit support ticket requests through https://support.osgeo.org/ 
to get new DNS subdomains set up  - i have been advised by auke that 
this is the best thing to do and SAC will be kept in the loop.

cheers,


jo

On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:28:19AM -0400, Daniel Morissette wrote:
> Frank Warmerdam wrote:
> >Benjamin Thelen wrote:
> >
> >>Daniel Morissette schrieb:
> >>
> >>>I see that our machines at telascience are given names directly under 
> >>>the root of the telascience.org domain, without any distinction from 
> >>>any other telascience servers.
> >>>
> >>>To keep things organized and keep our stuff distinct from other 
> >>>telascience servers, should we use a separate domain (e.g. osgeo.net 
> >>>which is currently unused AFAIK) or at least a subdomain of 
> >>>telascience.org (e.g. osgeo.telascience.org) for all those machines?
> >>>
> >>>I apologize if this has been discussed before I joined the group.
> >>>
> >>>Daniel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>According to a mail between Frank and auke at collab.net, some days ago, 
> >>it is easy to assign subdomains of osgeo.org, thus I'm a suprised, 
> >>that for example geodata.telascience.org has been assigned to 
> >>198.202.74.216, instead of geodate.osgeo.org. Did I miss sth.?
> >
> >
> >Daniel / Benjamin,
> >
> >I believe that John added geodata.telascience.org as a convenience.
> >We can't use geodata.osgeo.org for the machine yet, since that is
> >delegated to the CN project pages for the geodata committee.
> >
> 
> Even if you had full control on osgeo.org I would advise against using 
> geodata.osgeo.org since the top level under .osgeo.org is already used 
> for project names so we should not pollute that level with machine 
> names. My opinion is that we should try to plan a little bit for the 
> future and put machine names under their own subdomain, either osgeo.net 
> or osgeo.telascience.org as I previously suggested, or use a sub-domain 
> of osgeo.org if we want machine names under that domain, for instance 
> .ts.osgeo.org (ts being short for telascience). A subdomain such as 
> .ts.osgeo.org could be delegated to a DNS server managed by John or 
> someone outside of CN to keep things real simple. If we don't start 
> putting some order then the .osgeo.org domain will be quite a mess in a 
> few years.
> 
> The same way I think we should come up with a standard for assigning 
> user ids for people accessing the servers (I believe that's done in the 
> LDAP server?) instead of letting everybody use a nickname, otherwise 
> we'll end up with a mess there as well. For instance, using first letter 
> of firstname + full last name seems to be quite common and could do
> (e.g. dmorissette, fwarmerdam, etc.). I'd be open to any other 
> convention as long as we have something.
> 
> I don't claim to have a perfect solution, but I'm a bit worried by the 
> lack of order in the way we do things right now. My experience is that a 
> naming convention for domain/server infrastructure is as important as a 
> coding style for code: it will make things much more predictable, 
> manageable and usable in the long run.
> 
> Sorry for throwing another 0.02$ on this, hopefully it's the last time...
> 
> Daniel
> -- 
> Daniel Morissette
> http://www.mapgears.com/

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