[OSGeo-Standards] [Incubator] Fwd: TEAM Engine and CITE infrastructure [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Daniel Morissette dmorissette at mapgears.com
Fri May 9 06:48:07 PDT 2014

Replying to myself.

I re-read the original email from Luis, and see that he writes "which 
organizations can provide support for issue tracking, releases, code 
review etc." ... so it sounds like what they are looking for is not just 
hosting infrastructure (contrary to what I initially thought after a 
quick read of this thread), they seem to be looking for a sweet home for 
CITE as an open source project, in which case OSGeo or LocationTech 
Incubation are the places to start.

OSGeo/LocationTech incubation is a good place to start but that won't do 
it all, the foundations would just provide a home for the community and 
some assistance to help it get organized, but won't replace the need for 
a healthy community of users and developers around the project to do the 
actual work and keep the project alive. More specifically OSGeo or 
LocationTech should not be expected to provide resources/staff to 
maintain the CITE software itself, they are non profit entities and 
cannot pay staff directly to maintain software anyway. My opinion is 
that it would still be up to OGC to fund the maintenance of the CITE 
software, produce releases, etc.

Please keep in mind that I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should 
be doing, so treat this email as what it is: just a personal opinion 
from a past member of OGC and current member of both OSGeo and 


On 14-05-09 9:23 AM, Daniel Morissette wrote:
> Hopefully I misunderstood the request, but if OGC is really seeking a
> group to help *host* their CITE test suite, i.e. the place where
> software vendors run their tests when they seek certification, then I
> think this is wrong. I don't think OSGeo, LocationTech, or any entity
> other than OGC itself should be hosting the test suite that serves for
> certification. What would people think if some proprietary software
> vendors were hosting the test suite? Probably not good, right? Then why
> should it be different for OSGeo or LocationTech.
> As I wrote above, I probably misunderstood the request, and if all OGC
> is looking for is a home for the CITE source code to grow and prosper,
> then OSGeo and LocationTech are the best places, but this is different
> from just hosting.
> Daniel
> On 14-05-09 7:20 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> While I'm very supportive of CITE testing, and would love to see the
>> CITE project pass through OSGeo incubation, I don't see OSGeo as geared
>> to provide the hosting support that OGC is asking for.
>> In particular, hosting infrastructure requires both hardware, but more
>> importantly, people to maintain the infrastructure. If the CITE project
>> is not able to attract volunteers, I would not expect OSGeo to be able
>> to attract them either.
>> I refer back to our OSGeo Priorities:
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors#Support_initiatives_which_support_themselves
>> On 9/05/2014 8:02 am, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
>>> Jeff,
>>> At the Washington TC, Luis announced that OGC are setting up an
>>> arrangement with from memory, the Eclipse Foundation, to help move
>>> this software forward.
>>> There was no real rationale provided on this that I recall.
>>> I also did not get a chance to follow up with Luis as to what this
>>> meant for the OSGeo Incubation process that the products are going
>>> through.
>>> Perhaps Luis or Carl could comment.
>>> Can anyone advise what is happening with CITE from the OSGeo
>>> Incubation viewpoint?
>>> Is there an active project?
>>> What organisations are supporting the Project?
>>> What is the status of CITE incubation?
>>> Bruce
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: standards-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>> [standards-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna
>>> [jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2014 10:46 PM
>>> To: standards at lists.osgeo.org
>>> Subject: [OSGeo-Standards] Fwd: TEAM Engine and CITE infrastructure
>>> Hello OSGeo standards community,
>>> I received a request (below) from Luis Bermudez, head of the OGC
>>> compliance group, wondering if OSGeo might be able to help hosting their
>>> CITE architecture.  Note that he sent this to me a day after the
>>> deadline listed on the call, so I don't think we should pay much
>>> attention to that date.  What are the thoughts on helping them?
>>> I will also mention this at next week's OSGeo board meeting.
>>> -jeff
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: TEAM Engine and CITE infrastructure
>>> Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 13:45:36 -0400
>>> From: Luis Bermudez <lbermudez at opengeospatial.org>
>>> To: Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
>>> Hi Jeff
>>> We have had lots of discussion about moving the OGC CITE software
>>> infrastructure  to a different place.  We were advise after the last TC
>>> to do a press release to see which organizations can provide support for
>>> issue tracking, releases, code review etc. We recently published this
>>> press release
>>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/pressroom/pressreleases/1998
>>> Maybe OSGeo is interested? I didn't heard from anybody from OSGeo.
>>> Please let me know what you think.
>>> Thank you very much!
>>> - Luis
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>> Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.
>>> Director Compliance Program
>>> Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
>>> The OGC: Making Location Count
>>> Skype: bermudez_luis
>>> Twitter: @berdez
>>> Tel: +1 301 760 7323
>>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez
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