[OSGeo-Standards] [gdal-dev] Idea: GeoTIFF box in JPEG to addgeoreferencing

Carl Reed creed at opengeospatial.org
Mon May 19 13:50:30 PDT 2014

Thanks, Peter.

Also, FYI, version 2 of the OGC GML in JP2000 (GMLJP2) candidate standard is 
in an OGC adoption vote until June 29.  There is also an OGC/ISO discussion 
this week as to whether this OGC standards should also become an ISO 



-----Original Message----- 
From: Peter Baumann
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:39 PM
To: Even Rouault ; gdal-dev at lists.osgeo.org
Cc: Jukka Rahkonen ; standards at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Standards] [gdal-dev] Idea: GeoTIFF box in JPEG to 

PS: not sure all on this list are aware of this overview page:


On 05/12/2014 11:38 PM, Peter Baumann wrote:
> Hi all,
> just saw this, thought I'd chime in being the editor of GMLCOV :)
> Any questions, I'll gladly try to answer, I'm just on the road currently, 
> so expect a delay of a day or so.
> Trying to respond to what has been raised below:
> On 05/12/2014 11:18 PM, Even Rouault wrote:
>> Le lundi 12 mai 2014 23:05:21, Jukka Rahkonen a écrit :
>>> Even Rouault <even.rouault <at> mines-paris.org> writes:
>>> ...
>>>>> In light of this, it may be better to use an xml or textual
>>>>> representation and embed it inside an XMP block, which is supported
>>>>> for many formats[1]. Also it would allow for easier human-reading.
>>>> Yes, that's one possibility. Which comes back to GMLJP2 unless there 
>>>> are
>>> other
>>>> standards...
>>>> I'd want to build on something that is a "real" standard or a de-facto
>>>> standard, but not reinvent everything from scratch.
>>> What GMLJP2 gives as a bonus is the axis order trouble
> actually, no. GMLJP2 relies on GMLCOV which defines axis order. Each 
> coverage has a Native CRS which is defined via an OGC URI (which, in the 
> case of EPSG, refers to the OGP maintained database). In the CRS 
> definition the axis is given unambiguously.
> If you don't want to go to that database, use the axisLabels attribute in 
> the Envelope, it lists axes in their proper sequence.
>>> and not totally
>>> clear interpretation if origin is in the centre (probably it is) or in 
>>> the
>>> corner of a pixel,
> naively, GMLCOV follows the pixel-in center interpretation. However, 
> encodings may override this, such as GeoTIFF (see the pertaining adopted 
> spec [1]).
> [1] https://portal.opengeospatial.org/files/?artifact_id=50118
>>> and rectified grid does not support ground control
>>> points.
> yes, because it is rectified. If you want more degree of freedom do not 
> use RectifiedGridCoverage but ReferenceableGridCoverage. In conjunction 
> with GML 3.3 ( a compatible enhancement of GML 3.2.1) this gives you 
> irregular and warped grids. We're not completely done, though, and would 
> be glad about your support in some advanced issues. Note that this work is 
> all voluntary and relies on some project financing to be done. Up to now, 
> EC and ESA have been generous, and so we are going ahead step by step.
>>> Thus GMLJP2 is at least not better in everything, it has also
>>> drawbacks.
>> Hi Jukka,
>> Yes, for all your above reasons, I would prefer to avoid it.
> so which ones are remaining, following the clarification you mention 
> below?
> cheers,
> Peter
>> Although the axis order trouble (the one of EPSG) and interpretation of 
>> origin
>> (pixel center) should be mostly clarified with the revised version.
>> As far as ground countrol points are concerned, I've not really looked at 
>> the
>> capabilities of GMLCov, so perhaps there's something in it for that.
>> Otherwise, that would be indeed a drawback.
>>> -Jukka Rahkonen-
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