[Ubuntu] UbuntuGIS - Google Summer of Code - packaging Java based OSGeo applications

Sun Jun 16 03:34:36 PDT 2013

Hi,
I'd like to support OSGeo Live with my Java and Ubuntu knowledge to help
getting Java packages apt-get installable.
I don't have much time, but an hour a day I could maybe spend on this.
Please let me know if this helps and on which packages you like me to
start working on.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen/Best regards
Andreas Paukner-Ruzicka
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On 11/06/13 23:12, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> Alex,
> I defer to your deeper experience with packaging, and agree that your
> analysis and suggestions make sense.
>
> On 12/06/13 07:03, Alex Mandel wrote:
>> Cameron,
>>
>> Thats a tricky dependency issue, we are likely to opt to use 12.04
>> instead of 13.04 because Ubuntugis is not up to date. But many people
>> who try OSGeo-Live might then actually move to trying on 13.04. So in
>> my mind making sure existing already packaged projects are up to date
>> takes precedence over things that have never been deb packaged and
>> might be hard to create deb packages for. Even prioritizing Java
>> stuff first I have no expectations that even a fraction will be done
>> in time for OSGeo Live 7. However focusing on Debian/Ubuntugis
>> current packages I expect all of those will be ready in time for
>> either 12.04 or 13.04.
>>
>>
>> So I disagree with you and agree with Alan on this plan. Having
>> working QGIS, GRASS, Postgis etc that all work together correctly is
>> more important to me than Java projects being apt-get installable.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
>>
>> On 06/11/2013 01:52 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>> Alan,
>>> Re Java packaging, our biggest hurdle is there seems to be very few
>>> people with java packaging experience, which is why it would be very
>>> valuable to have someone research what is required, and set out a
>>> roadmap for others to follow.
>>>
>>> If we were to focus on java packaging for OSGeo-Live 7.0 (to be
>>> released
>>> at foss4g 2013), then I'd suggest that java packaging should be
>>> focussed
>>> on first, in order to give java projects time to help out. (I'm
>>> expecting there to be quite a bit of research and discussion with
>>> projects required). This would likely be at the expense of other
>>> packaging efforts.
>>>
>>> So while I'd love to see the java packaging issues worked out as the
>>> primary goal, if we are to follow up with your schedule (which is a
>>> good
>>> plan), I expect that java packaging will need to wait for a few more
>>> releases. (Maybe a focus for a future GSoC project)
>>>
>>> On 12/06/13 03:41, Alex Mandel wrote:
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> I agree that we should 1. make sure Debian (and therefore Ubuntu) are
>>>> up to date on existing packages, 2. create instructions, workflows and
>>>> tools to make it easier to maintain (and bring in new maintainers, 3.
>>>> then move on to other ideas.
>>>>
>>>> For those who haven't seen the plan
>>>> https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2013/jlarouche/16001
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> On 06/11/2013 05:40 AM, Alan Boudreault wrote:
>>>>> Hi Cameron,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm really for the java packaging effort. One of the difficulty I
>>>>> see is
>>>>> that as its mentor.. I do not have any java packaging experience.
>>>>> This
>>>>> is something Jérome will have to learn by himself and any
>>>>> collaboration
>>>>> with other devs will be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, before doing any java packaging stuff, I'd like to follow to
>>>>> the GSoC plan. When everything is update and that we have a working
>>>>> debian stable repository... we are going to start this effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it ok with you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13-06-07 05:45 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>> Jerome, Alan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We discussed ideas about Jerome's contribution toward OSGeo-Live
>>>>>> in our
>>>>>> OSGeo-Live weekly meeting yesterday and we see this summer-of-code
>>>>>> project as an excellent opportunity to tackle one of the difficult
>>>>>> packaging issues we have had to date. Namely, the packaging of java
>>>>>> based applications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Historically, java packaging into ubuntu has been difficult, largely
>>>>>> due
>>>>>> to osgeo projects being dependant upon Sun Java, and Debian
>>>>>> packaging
>>>>>> OpenJDK. We the last OSGeo-Live release, we successfully moved all
>>>>>> applications on OSGeoLive across to OpenJDK, so we should be in a
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> position to start packaging these java based applications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other part of the problem, is that java projects usually
>>>>>> don't have
>>>>>> much expertise in debian packaging (because they have not been doing
>>>>>> it), and debian packagers have not had much experience with java
>>>>>> (again
>>>>>> because they have not been working with it).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What we really need is someone to work out how to bring these two
>>>>>> processes (and communities) together by doing to hard work of
>>>>>> working
>>>>>> out what is required. Jerome's summer of code project provides an
>>>>>> excellent opportunity to make a big difference in this regard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'd like to propose:
>>>>>> 1. Jerome's primary focus should initially be on working out how to
>>>>>> package java applications into debian based systems (such as
>>>>>> UbuntuGIS)
>>>>>> 2. Start packaging the key java based applications. (I can introduce
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> to key java developers and projects to ask questions of)
>>>>>> 3. I suspect we should start with the Geotools library first, then
>>>>>> GeoServer (which is used by a number of other applications), then
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> java based applications (depending on which projects step up to work
>>>>>> with Jerome)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jerome, Alan,
>>>>>> How does that sound for an idea?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/06/13 02:47, Alex Mandel wrote:
>>>>>>> On 06/05/2013 09:22 AM, Alan Boudreault wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As some of you may already know, we got a OSGeo Google Summer
>>>>>>>> of Code
>>>>>>>> slot for UbuntuGIS. I'd like to introduce Jérome Vileneuve
>>>>>>>> Larouche (a
>>>>>>>> student at The University of Québec at Chicoutimi) You may already
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> seen his name on the list since he was working part time with
>>>>>>>> Mapgears
>>>>>>>> during the last year. As the mentor of the project, I'm going
>>>>>>>> to work
>>>>>>>> with Jérome to update and improve UbuntuGIS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The main goals of the project is to:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Train the student to be comfortable with debian/ubuntu
>>>>>>>> packaging.
>>>>>>>> - Provide the UbuntuGIS-Stable Upgrade (biannual upgrade)
>>>>>>>> - Provide packages for Ubuntu Raring.
>>>>>>>> - Update UbuntuGIS unstable packages with all latest softwares
>>>>>>>> (Collaborate and contribute to DebianGIS)
>>>>>>>> - Collaborate with the user on the mailing list to be aware of the
>>>>>>>> known
>>>>>>>> issues and  provide new package and/or fixes
>>>>>>>> - Provide upstream patches to various osgeo projects.
>>>>>>>> - Create a new repository for debian stable (7.0) with all current
>>>>>>>> up-to-date packages
>>>>>>>> - Create more documentation for users and new contributors.
>>>>>>>> (Howtos,
>>>>>>>> tutorial)
>>>>>>>> - Collaborate with the OSGeo LiveDVD project (more packaging for
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> setup?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We would be happy to hear comments/suggestions from the
>>>>>>>> community to
>>>>>>>> improve UbuntGIS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Awesome. I look forward to more Howtos to help us train more
>>>>>>> people to
>>>>>>> become maintainers of packages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a member of UbuntuGIS, and OSGeo Live I'll be happy to help
>>>>>>> coordinate between the 2 projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> Ubuntu at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu
>>>>>>> http://trac.osgeo.org/ubuntugis/wiki
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