[OSGeo-UK] How to spend some money

Wed Mar 1 08:08:08 PST 2017

Hi Matthew,

Thanks for the additional information about the project- I very much
enjoyed reading through the slides. I think that OSGeo mentoring as a
community project (see https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Community_Projects)
would be a really good fit for you and would give you access to some OSGeo
infrastructure (though I don't know exactly what they can offer). There are
contact details in the link so I'd give them a shout. Also we (OSGeo:UK
collectively) would be more than happy to help with anything that we can-
you'll probably get a good response here if you ask specific questions- I
know for example that there are some javascript ninjas lurking!

>From a financial assistance perspective  (I know you haven't asked about
that specifically, but it's how the thread started) once you're a bit more
established, if you can think of a specific element that you would like
funding then I would recommend applying. There's no guarantee of funding
being available of course. We will shortly be publishing some guidelines on
asking for funding on the website.

All the best

Jo

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Matthew Shaw <shawmat.sl6 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Rasters Revealed last week was the first time I talked about the
> OpenTiles.org project, and I did say it was at the alpha stage.  Readers of
> this email are welcome to access the slides and demo links at
> http://opentiles.org/rastersrevealed.html.  The slides explain some of
> the key drivers for the approach being taken.
>
> Putting a half-finished website up may or may not be a good idea. But I
> felt that doing so was the best way to knock it into shape.  Rasters
> Revealed and this email is my stuttering attempt to open the project up to
> peer review.
>
> Steve - Thanks for responding; I'll try to address your points.
>
> I see OpenTiles.org primarily as a maps project rather than an software
> project.  It is "open" in the sense that material can be freely consumed
> under an open licence, though it still needs to be determined which one.
> Getting the right licence is influenced by what status the underlying maps
> have, and the scans thereof.  So far, all the material up there (130,000
> sheets worth) is already in the public domain.
>
> To make it work, I have:
>
>    1. Used open source software as-is
>    2. Extended open-source software i.e. added a new provider into the
>    TileStache Python tile server
>    3. Defined a new database schema for tile storage/serving
>
> Re 2: I am happy to release the changes back to the TileStache project via
> a Github fork.  However, it is debatable whether the TileStache project
> would want to merge these changes into the core, because they alter the URL
> pattern for WMSs.  More details in the slides.
> Re 3: I will publish the schema via OpenTiles.  The principles are set but
> a few important changes need to be made before writing it up.  It differs
> significantly from the mbtiles format (which I began with).
>
> OpenTiles.org is therefore an "application" of open-source software. It's
> not clear there's much, other than items 2 and 3, that is releasable as
> "new" open source software.
>
> Thanks for your suggestion about the incubation process.  I recognise that
> I need some mentoring but haven't really known how to go about it.
>
> Regards
>
> *Matthew Shaw*
> OpenTiles.org
>
>
> On 28 February 2017 at 16:09, Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mathew
>>
>> I can’t tell from your web site whether the open tiles project is an open
>> source project or not? If you are thinking of making your project open
>> source you might want to consider either the OSGeo Community Project model
>> or the Incubation stage, details of both can be found at
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Community_Projects#Comp
>> arison_with_Incubation
>>
>> I don't understand "*It does not aspire to replace open source software
>> - but it does challenge the n-year-old tools that are out there now. The
>> project will contribute improvements to O/S software where they are shown
>> to deliver value*”, perhaps you could explain.
>>
>> This mailing list is the best starting point for engaging with the
>> OSGeo:UK community, tell us what help you are looking for and hopefully
>> someone will chip in with an offer of help or advice.
>>
>> You might want to consider submitting a talk to the European event in
>> Paris in July, FOSS4G-EU at https://europe.foss4g.org/2017/ which will
>> be a large gathering of European Open Source Geo people
>>
>> ______
>> Steven
>>
>>
>> On 24 Feb 2017, at 19:24, Matthew Shaw <shawmat.sl6 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Of course I had an ulterior motive...and sorry in advance for hijacking
>> the email for a polemic...
>>
>> My pitch at Raster Revealed was for a tile-serving platform (
>> opentiles.org) that can deliver 1Tb of tiles for less than £70. And not
>> be beholden to the near-standards landing from the open-source world.
>>
>> Those working with rasters as professionals may not see "cost" as a
>> constraint. Their institute pays. But cost-of-delivery is a key issue for
>> maps.  Particularly if you don't try to second-guess how people will use
>> them.  Maps create this problem because unstructured image data is
>> inherently Big.  With 2Tb of raw material in my collection, it's not clear
>> how it could be published otherwise.
>>
>> What I observe as a hobbyist is that great open-source work done
>> 2006-2010 is now being progressively commerialised behind standards.
>> People who were pioneers at that time now have to make a living, and we see
>> this in so-called start-ups that can somehow manage to employ 60, 120
>> people setting the standards. For example, the ".mbtiles" database is
>> touted as a standard for tiles serving - but has significant design flaws.
>>
>> The next phase (IMHO) in open-source is this: Open "implementations" of
>> open-source software.
>>
>> OpenTiles.org is a maps project.  It does not aspire to replace open
>> source software - but it does challenge the n-year-old tools that are out
>> there now. The project will contribute improvements to O/S software where
>> they are shown to deliver value.
>>
>> I'm a 58-year-old guy from the UK. I've had an interesting career in
>> business and IT, and can bring something to the party. Some practical help
>> would be welcome; more carto input;  help with engaging with the community.
>>
>> Thanks for reading
>>
>> *Matthew Shaw*
>> opentiles.org
>> @OpenTilesOrg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24 February 2017 at 17:26, Jo Cook <jocook at astuntechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> It was a good suggestion from Matthew to wait until Rasters Revealed to
>>> see if there were any projects that could do with some funding, but I've
>>> not heard of anything. So this is the last call for funding ideas,
>>> otherwise we'll pursue the QGIS/Geoserver integration option.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Jo
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Matthew Shaw <shawmat.sl6 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rather that closing the survey this week, we have Rasters Revealed
>>>> coming up next Tuesday 21st.  Would it make sense to see what's presented
>>>> there first, in case there are some projects that need a bit of incubation?
>>>>
>>>> Matthew Shaw
>>>>
>>>> On 14 February 2017 at 16:36, Jo Cook <jocook at astuntechnology.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks as if, amongst those that have responded, we have a strong
>>>>> preference for the QGIS/Geoserver integration funding. If you have a strong
>>>>> opinion or preference for any of the other options then let us know before
>>>>> close of play on Friday. Our next step is to contact GeoSolutions to
>>>>> discuss where our donation could best be used, as they have split their
>>>>> funding request into several discrete packages of work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards- and thanks to everyone who has replied!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jo
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Sam Franklin <
>>>>> mr.samfranklin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 for the QGIS/Geoserver integration funding. Cheers, Sam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Sam Franklin
>>>>>> m | +44 7866 979 870 <+44%207866%20979870>
>>>>>> t | @SamRFranklin <https://twitter.com/SamRFranklin>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12 February 2017 at 16:48, Alastair Graham <a.graham at geoger.co.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like Ian's idea of a marketing pack, but I think that for the
>>>>>>> current funding I would support option 1 for the same reason as Tom (i.e.
>>>>>>> they are looking for funding for a specific task)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Alastair
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> | Alastair Graham | Director | Geoger Ltd |
>>>>>>> | W: www.geoger.co.uk | Follow @ajggeoger
>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/ajggeoger>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> | Visiting Fellow | Open University | alastair.graham at open.ac.uk |
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Meeting link: https://rastersrevealed.net/
>>>>>>> <https://rastersrevealed.net/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10 February 2017 at 09:54, Jo Cook <jocook at astuntechnology.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello UK Chapter folk,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OSGeo:UK still has a small amount of money remaining that could be
>>>>>>>> donated or otherwise used in this financial year. We've got a couple of
>>>>>>>> suggestions, so we'd like opinions!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) QGIS/Geoserver integration: http://www.geo-solutions.it/ne
>>>>>>>> ws/crowdfunding-qgis-geoserver-styling-interoperability/
>>>>>>>> 2) Attendance for a developer at a code sprint
>>>>>>>> 3)Travel to Boston for one person (probably a self-employed
>>>>>>>> developer or student)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that for options 2 or 3 we'll need to thrash out the details.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let us know what you think, or even let us know of other options-
>>>>>>>> we'd be happy to contribute to other projects but need a clear funding
>>>>>>>> mechanism to do it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jo
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