[UN] Budget proposal 2019

Nils Hempelmann info at nilshempelmann.de
Thu Jan 17 04:13:05 PST 2019


Dear all 
Its nice to read this discussion. Would it make sence and be possible to have a video/telefon converence for a profund exchange? Dealing with very big organisations like UN needs multiple strategies. Its good that we are coming up with concrete proposals and alternative ideas. 
Cheers nils 

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-------- Message d'origine --------De : Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com> Date : 17/01/2019  12:34  (GMT+01:00) À : un at lists.osgeo.org Objet : Re: [UN] Budget proposal 2019 

    Hi Serena, which I acknowledge the value of your points, I'm
      inclined to agree with Bruce's points that the OSGeo volunteer
      organisation shouldn't be subsidising a funded organisations such
      as the UN (who I've heard are able to find money to purchase ESRI
      licenses).
    It is hard to teach an organisation like the UN that they should
      pay to gain the value of Open Source if we keep diverting our
      budget toward giving them a free ride.

    
    Warm regards, Cameron

    
    On 17/1/19 7:48 am, Bruce Bannerman
      wrote:

    
    
      
      Thanks for the more detailed information Serena.
      

      
      I understand the issue of supporting young and not
        so young OSGeo volunteers. This is also behind the point that I
        was trying to make.
      

      
      There is a principle here, that as a volunteer
        organisation OSGeo can’t afford to be subsidising other
        organisations’ use of open source. These organisations need to be encouraged
          to contribute back to the community, whether through funding,
          or in kind contributions of staff time and effort, etc.
      

      
      However, I will not pursue my intervention further
        at this stage. I appreciate the work that this team is doing and
        do not wish to derail that effort and good work.
      

      
      Kind regards,
      

      
      Bruce
      

      
      

        On 16 Jan 2019, at 22:48, Serena Coetzee <serenacoetzee at gmail.com>
        wrote:

        

      
      
        
          
            
              Dear Bruce, 

              
              

              
              thanks for the constructive comments. 

              
              

              
              OSGeo is a partner in the UN Open GIS initiative and,
                as partner, OSGeo has to support the project.
                Participation in the initiative is done by volunteers
                (from OSGeo) and we can't ask the volunteers to pay with
                their money. This is the reason for the first request.
                OSGeo partnering in the UN Open GIS initiative should
                benefit you and all other
                OSGeo members. Let us know if there anything that the
                person travelling to Sudan can do to also improve your
                case.

              
              
                

                
                About the development of training material, this
                  raises awareness of open source software for
                  geospatial and contributes to capacity building in
                  OSGeo. It is a way to support young OSGeo members.
                  Such challenges are common place in industry. The
                  mentors are working for OSGeo as volunteers,
                  increasing the visibility of OSGeo within the UN and
                  beyond.  

                
                

                
                Regards,
                Serena

                
                

                  Serena Coetzee (GPr GISc 1245)

                  

                  University of Pretoria

                  Director: Centre for Geoinformation Science

                  Professor and Head of Department Geography,
                  Geoinformatics and Meteorology

                  Geography Building 3-5, Hatfield Campus, Lynnwood
                  Road, Hatfield, 0083, South Africa

                  email: serena.coetzee at up.ac.za
                  · Web: www.up.ac.za/ggm
                  · Mobile: +27 82 464 4294 · Tel: +27 12 420 3823

                
              
              

              
            
          
          

          
            On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at
              2:16 AM Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>
              wrote:

            
            
              Hello Maria,
                

                
                I do appreciate your passion towards this
                  initiative and the outreach work that you do. 
                
                  

                  
                  However, I am very uncomfortable with the
                    approach outlined in the proposal below.
                  

                  
                  The UN should appreciate the value of open source
                    spatial software by now and be willing to contribute
                    back to the open source community.
                  

                  
                  Therefore, I believe that the activities
                    suggested below should be funded by the UN and not
                    OSGeo.
                  

                  
                  Regarding the items in the proposal below:
                  

                  
                  Item 1)   If this is for a UN Project and they
                    value OSGeo representation, then that should be a UN
                    Project cost and not an OSGeo cost.
                  

                  
                  Item 2)   I’m not sure what this is, but I
                    interpret it to be for the preparation of QGIS
                    training material specific for UN staff. If so, then
                    again this should be a UN funded activity. The UN
                    may wish to view this as a voluntary contribution
                    that they make to the QGIS Community in part
                    recognition of the benefit that they are receiving
                    from the use of the QGIS Open Source software. This
                    is also an activity that could be undertaken by an
                    commercial organisation that specialises in working
                    with this type of open source software.
                  

                  
                  Item 3)  I’m not sure what this is, but it also
                    sounds like an activity that would be for UN
                    benefit. If so, then again, they should be paying.
                  

                  
                  IMO, we need to push back against the expectation
                    that open source is free (as in free beer). There is
                    always a cost to produce and maintain open source
                    and I would like to see those who benefit from using
                    the software to be encouraged to contribute back to
                    the open source communities.
                  

                  
                  I have been working actively for many years
                    within one of the UN Agencies and am making some
                    real headway towards this agency accepting the value
                    of an open source approach to a specific problem
                    that they have.  I can’t discuss this publicly yet.
                    I’m sure that you’ll appreciate that the wheels can
                    move quite slowly at times as people become
                    comfortable with what is in reality a new approach
                    for them and they have internal processes that need
                    to be followed.
                  

                  
                  If I have misunderstood the intent of the
                    proposed items in your email, then I apologise in
                    advance.
                  

                  
                  Kind regards,
                  

                  
                  Bruce
                  

                  
                  

                  
                  

                    

                      
                        On 16 Jan 2019, at 06:03, Maria Antonia
                          Brovelli <maria.brovelli at polimi.it>
                          wrote:
                        

                        
                          
                            Dear
                              All
                            it
                              is time to make the proposal to OSGeo
                              Board for the activities of the UN
                              Committee in 2019.
                            We
                              have the UN Open GIS Initiative entering
                              in its third year of activities; many
                              people of the UN staff have been trained
                              in QGIS and PostGIS (more than 100) thanks
                              to volunteers of GeoForAll. 
                            Currently,
                              there is the third edition of QGIS
                              (Victoria Rautenbach chairing the
                              initiative; Thomas Mueller and Cameron
                              Green mentoring)and the second one of
                              PostGIS (Ivana Ivanova chairing, Paolo
                              Corti, Oliva Martin Sanchez, and Gregory
                              Giuliani mentoring). 
                            

                            
                            About
                              UN Open GIS Initiative the request will
                              be:
                            1)
                              support for attending a couple of project
                              meeting and training - (one will be
                              probably in South Sudan) 5000$
                            2)
                              one UN OSGeo Challenge (similar to what we
                              organized last year) to prepare a new
                              training material course on PostGIS (the
                              one we are using, which is a Boundless
                              one, has to be updated and re-built
                              considering the experience of the trainees
                              and trainers). The budget for this
                              initiative will be 3000 $, the same as the
                              initiatives of last year. In case we got
                              financed, Ivana Ivanova and I can be the
                              mentor of the winner of the Challenge.
                            3)
                              Moreover, we can ask some budget for
                              another training course about SDGs and
                              open data/open software. Last year Codrina
                              Maria Ilie was the winner and the training
                              material is almost ready and will be
                              released soon (it is about the computation
                              of SDG indicator 9.1.1 using QGIS). The
                              budget can be 3000 $, the same as last
                              year and Serena Coetzee and I can be the
                              mentor.
                            Obviously
                              if you there is somebody who wants to
                              offer her/himself as a mentor, they are
                              more than welcome!
                            Please
                              let me know if you have comments. If none,
                              I will proceed with the proposal.
                            Bets
                              regards,
                            Maria
                            

                            
                            

                            
                            

                            
                            

                            
                            

                            
                            

                            
                            
                              
                                Please
                                  pay attention to these two
                                  opportunities:
                                

                                
                                A
                                  new IJGI Special Issue
                                  "State-of-the-Art in Spatial
                                    Information Science"

                                  
                                  (deadline for submissions: 1 may 2019)
                                

                                
                                http://www.mdpi.com/journal/ijgi/special_issues/ISPRS_2020_Nice

                                
                                

                                
                                A
                                  new Transaction in GIS  Special Issue
                                "Open
                                    Source Geospatial Science, Software
                                    and Education"
                                (deadline
                                      for abstract submissions: 15
                                      february 2019)

                                  
                                https://wol-prod-cdn.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/assets/14679671/Open%20Geospatial%20Science%20Software%20and%20Education.pdf

                                    
                                

                                
                                

                                
                                

                                
                                ----------------------------------------------------
                                Prof.
                                      Maria Antonia Brovelli

                                  Professor of GIS
                                      and Digital Mapping

                                      Politecnico di Milano
                                  

                                  P.zza
                                      Leonardo da Vinci, 32 - Building 3
                                      - 20133 Milano (Italy)
                                  Tel.
                                      +39-02-23996242 - Mob. +39-328-0023867,  maria.brovelli at polimi.it
                                  https://orcid.org/0000-0003-3161-556

                                      
                                  

                                    
                                  

                                  
                                  

                                    

                                  
                                   
                                
                              
                            
                          
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