[UN] Budget proposal 2019
Nils Hempelmann
info at nilshempelmann.de
Sun Jan 20 01:41:09 PST 2019
Both proposals suits me.
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Thanks for the organization.
Cheers
nils
On 20/01/2019 08:32, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
> Proposal 2 suits me best.
>
> Proposal 1 is at 1am my time. I won’t be able to make it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bruce
>
> On 20 Jan 2019, at 06:58, Maria Antonia Brovelli
> <maria.brovelli at polimi.it <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>> wrote:
>
>> Dear All
>>
>> thank you a lot for your great comments and suggestions.
>>
>> I suggest doing in this way. As OSGeo is a partner of the UN Open
>> GIS Initiative, given the fact that the Challenges of last year
>> have given OSGeo good visibility - and many people have contributed
>> to this success, I propose to go ahead with them.
>>
>>
>> Hae-Kyong, you proposed a new challenge based on Spiral 3. In order
>> to submit the proposal to OSGeo, I need to provide a description of
>> the challenge. Can you send me it by Monday my morning? I want to
>> submit the proposal of the budget on Monday at my lunchtime and
>> therefore I need you to send the proposal before. I give for granted
>> that you want to volunteer as the mentor of the challenge (as you did
>> in 2018), do you?
>>
>>
>> Moreover, Nils, Bruce, Cameron, and everybody who is now interested
>> in contributing to the activities of the UN Committee with new
>> projects: I propose to have a meeting for discussing the initiatives
>> that you want to propose.
>>
>> With Serena, we defined two possible time slots. Please find details
>> on the wiki page of the OSGeo UN Committee under Meeting January
>> 2019 (https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/UnitedNations_Committee).
>>
>>
>> Thanks to everybody. I'm looking forward to meeting you at the end of
>> January.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Maria
>>
>>
>>
>> Please pay attention to these two opportunities:
>>
>> A new IJGI Special Issue
>> "State-of-the-Art in Spatial Information Science"
>> (deadline for submissions: 1 may 2019)
>>
>> http://www.mdpi.com/journal/ijgi/special_issues/ISPRS_2020_Nice
>>
>> A new Transaction in GIS Special Issue
>> "Open Source Geospatial Science, Software and Education"
>> (deadline for abstract submissions: 15 february 2019)
>> https://wol-prod-cdn.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/assets/14679671/Open%20Geospatial%20Science%20Software%20and%20Education.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> *----------------------------------------------------*
>> *Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli*
>> Professor of GIS and Digital Mapping
>> Politecnico di Milano
>>
>> P.zza Leonardo da Vinci, 32 - Building 3 - 20133 Milano (Italy)
>>
>> Tel. +39-02-23996242 - Mob.+39-328-0023867, maria.brovelli at polimi.it
>> <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>
>>
>> https://orcid.org/0000-0003-3161-556
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *Da:* UN <un-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>> <mailto:un-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>> per conto di Bruce Bannerman
>> <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com
>> <mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>>
>> *Inviato:* giovedì 17 gennaio 2019 21:33:51
>> *A:* Nils Hempelmann
>> *Cc:* un at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:un at lists.osgeo.org>
>> *Oggetto:* Re: [UN] Budget proposal 2019
>> Hi Nils,
>>
>> OK by me.
>>
>> However, I will need to insist that we use Chatham House Rule [1].
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> [1] https://www.chathamhouse.org/chatham-house-rule
>>
>>
>> On 17 Jan 2019, at 23:13, Nils Hempelmann <info at nilshempelmann.de
>> <mailto:info at nilshempelmann.de>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all
>>>
>>> Its nice to read this discussion. Would it make sence and be
>>> possible to have a video/telefon converence for a profund exchange?
>>> Dealing with very big organisations like UN needs multiple
>>> strategies. Its good that we are coming up with concrete proposals
>>> and alternative ideas.
>>>
>>> Cheers nils
>>>
>>>
>>> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone.
>>>
>>> -------- Message d'origine --------
>>> De : Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>
>>> Date : 17/01/2019 12:34 (GMT+01:00)
>>> À : un at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:un at lists.osgeo.org>
>>> Objet : Re: [UN] Budget proposal 2019
>>>
>>> Hi Serena, which I acknowledge the value of your points, I'm
>>> inclined to agree with Bruce's points that the OSGeo volunteer
>>> organisation shouldn't be subsidising a funded organisations such as
>>> the UN (who I've heard are able to find money to purchase ESRI
>>> licenses).
>>>
>>> It is hard to teach an organisation like the UN that they should pay
>>> to gain the value of Open Source if we keep diverting our budget
>>> toward giving them a free ride.
>>>
>>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>>
>>> On 17/1/19 7:48 am, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the more detailed information Serena.
>>>>
>>>> I understand the issue of supporting young and not so young OSGeo
>>>> volunteers. This is also behind the point that I was trying to make.
>>>>
>>>> There is a principle here, that as a volunteer organisation OSGeo
>>>> can’t afford to be subsidising other organisations’ use of open
>>>> source. These organisations need to be encouraged to contribute
>>>> back to the community, whether through funding, or in kind
>>>> contributions of staff time and effort, etc.
>>>>
>>>> However, I will not pursue my intervention further at this stage. I
>>>> appreciate the work that this team is doing and do not wish to
>>>> derail that effort and good work.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 Jan 2019, at 22:48, Serena Coetzee <serenacoetzee at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:serenacoetzee at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Bruce,
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for the constructive comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> OSGeo is a partner in the UN Open GIS initiative and, as partner,
>>>>> OSGeo has to support the project. Participation in the initiative
>>>>> is done by volunteers (from OSGeo) and we can't ask the volunteers
>>>>> to pay with their money. This is the reason for the first request.
>>>>> OSGeo partnering in the UN Open GIS initiative should benefit you
>>>>> and all other OSGeo members. Let us know if there anything that
>>>>> the person travelling to Sudan can do to also improve your case.
>>>>>
>>>>> About the development of training material, this raises awareness
>>>>> of open source software for geospatial and contributes to capacity
>>>>> building in OSGeo. It is a way to support young OSGeo members.
>>>>> Such challenges are common place in industry. The mentors are
>>>>> working for OSGeo as volunteers, increasing the visibility of
>>>>> OSGeo within the UN and beyond.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Serena
>>>>>
>>>>> Serena Coetzee (GPr GISc 1245)
>>>>>
>>>>> University of Pretoria
>>>>> Director: Centre for Geoinformation Science
>>>>> Professor and Head of Department Geography, Geoinformatics and
>>>>> Meteorology
>>>>> Geography Building 3-5, Hatfield Campus, Lynnwood Road, Hatfield,
>>>>> 0083, South Africa
>>>>> email: serena.coetzee at up.ac.za <mailto:serena.coetzee at up.ac.za> ·
>>>>> Web: www.up.ac.za/ggm <http://www.up.ac.za/ggm> · Mobile: +27 82
>>>>> 464 4294 · Tel: +27 12 420 3823
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 2:16 AM Bruce Bannerman
>>>>> <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Maria,
>>>>>
>>>>> I do appreciate your passion towards this initiative and the
>>>>> outreach work that you do.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I am very uncomfortable with the approach outlined in
>>>>> the proposal below.
>>>>>
>>>>> The UN should appreciate the value of open source spatial
>>>>> software by now and be willing to contribute back to the open
>>>>> source community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, I believe that the activities suggested below
>>>>> should be funded by the UN and not OSGeo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the items in the proposal below:
>>>>>
>>>>> Item 1) If this is for a UN Project and they value OSGeo
>>>>> representation, then that should be a UN Project cost and not
>>>>> an OSGeo cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Item 2) I’m not sure what this is, but I interpret it to be
>>>>> for the preparation of QGIS training material specific for UN
>>>>> staff. If so, then again this should be a UN funded activity.
>>>>> The UN may wish to view this as a voluntary contribution that
>>>>> they make to the QGIS Community in part recognition of the
>>>>> benefit that they are receiving from the use of the QGIS Open
>>>>> Source software. This is also an activity that could be
>>>>> undertaken by an commercial organisation that specialises in
>>>>> working with this type of open source software.
>>>>>
>>>>> Item 3) I’m not sure what this is, but it also sounds like an
>>>>> activity that would be for UN benefit. If so, then again, they
>>>>> should be paying.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO, we need to push back against the expectation that open
>>>>> source is free (as in free beer). There is always a cost to
>>>>> produce and maintain open source and I would like to see those
>>>>> who benefit from using the software to be encouraged to
>>>>> contribute back to the open source communities.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been working actively for many years within one of the
>>>>> UN Agencies and am making some real headway towards this
>>>>> agency accepting the value of an open source approach to a
>>>>> specific problem that they have. I can’t discuss this publicly
>>>>> yet. I’m sure that you’ll appreciate that the wheels can move
>>>>> quite slowly at times as people become comfortable with what
>>>>> is in reality a new approach for them and they have internal
>>>>> processes that need to be followed.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I have misunderstood the intent of the proposed items in
>>>>> your email, then I apologise in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16 Jan 2019, at 06:03, Maria Antonia Brovelli
>>>>>> <maria.brovelli at polimi.it <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear All
>>>>>> it is time to make the proposal to OSGeo Board for the
>>>>>> activities of the UN Committee in 2019.
>>>>>> We have the UN Open GIS Initiative entering in its third year
>>>>>> of activities; many people of the UN staff have been trained
>>>>>> in QGIS and PostGIS (more than 100) thanks to volunteers of
>>>>>> GeoForAll.
>>>>>> Currently, there is the third edition of QGIS (Victoria
>>>>>> Rautenbach chairing the initiative; Thomas Mueller and
>>>>>> Cameron Green mentoring)and the second one of PostGIS (Ivana
>>>>>> Ivanova chairing, Paolo Corti, Oliva Martin Sanchez, and
>>>>>> Gregory Giuliani mentoring).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About UN Open GIS Initiative the request will be:
>>>>>> 1) support for attending a couple of project meeting and
>>>>>> training - (one will be probably in South Sudan) 5000$
>>>>>> 2) one UN OSGeo Challenge (similar to what we organized last
>>>>>> year) to prepare a new training material course on PostGIS
>>>>>> (the one we are using, which is a Boundless one, has to be
>>>>>> updated and re-built considering the experience of the
>>>>>> trainees and trainers). The budget for this initiative will
>>>>>> be 3000 $, the same as the initiatives of last year. In case
>>>>>> we got financed, Ivana Ivanova and I can be the mentor of the
>>>>>> winner of the Challenge.
>>>>>> 3) Moreover, we can ask some budget for another training
>>>>>> course about SDGs and open data/open software. Last year
>>>>>> Codrina Maria Ilie was the winner and the training material
>>>>>> is almost ready and will be released soon (it is about the
>>>>>> computation of SDG indicator 9.1.1 using QGIS). The budget
>>>>>> can be 3000 $, the same as last year and Serena Coetzee and I
>>>>>> can be the mentor.
>>>>>> Obviously if you there is somebody who wants to offer
>>>>>> her/himself as a mentor, they are more than welcome!
>>>>>> Please let me know if you have comments. If none, I will
>>>>>> proceed with the proposal.
>>>>>> Bets regards,
>>>>>> Maria
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please pay attention to these two opportunities:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A new IJGI Special Issue
>>>>>> "State-of-the-Art in Spatial Information Science"
>>>>>> (deadline for submissions: 1 may 2019)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.mdpi.com/journal/ijgi/special_issues/ISPRS_2020_Nice
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A new Transaction in GIS Special Issue
>>>>>> "Open Source Geospatial Science, Software and Education"
>>>>>> (deadline for abstract submissions: 15 february 2019)
>>>>>> https://wol-prod-cdn.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/assets/14679671/Open%20Geospatial%20Science%20Software%20and%20Education.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *----------------------------------------------------*
>>>>>> *Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli*
>>>>>> Professor of GIS and Digital Mapping
>>>>>> Politecnico di Milano
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.zza Leonardo da Vinci, 32 - Building 3 - 20133 Milano (Italy)
>>>>>> Tel. +39-02-23996242 - Mob.+39-328-0023867,
>>>>>> maria.brovelli at polimi.it <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>
>>>>>> https://orcid.org/0000-0003-3161-556
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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