[UN] Budget proposal 2019

Nils Hempelmann info at nilshempelmann.de
Sun Jan 20 01:41:09 PST 2019


Both proposals suits me.

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Thanks for the organization.

Cheers
nils


On 20/01/2019 08:32, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
> Proposal 2 suits me best.
>
> Proposal 1 is at 1am my time. I won’t be able to make it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bruce
>
> On 20 Jan 2019, at 06:58, Maria Antonia Brovelli 
> <maria.brovelli at polimi.it <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>> wrote:
>
>> Dear All
>>
>> thank you a lot for your great comments and suggestions.
>>
>> I suggest doing in this way.  As OSGeo is a partner of the UN Open 
>> GIS Initiative, given the fact that the Challenges of last year 
>> have given OSGeo good visibility - and many people have contributed 
>> to this success, I propose to go ahead with them.
>>
>>
>> Hae-Kyong, you proposed a new challenge based on Spiral 3. In order 
>> to submit the proposal to OSGeo, I need to provide a description of 
>> the challenge. Can you send me it by Monday my morning? I want to 
>> submit the proposal of the budget on Monday at my lunchtime and 
>> therefore I need you to send the proposal before.  I give for granted 
>> that you want to volunteer as the mentor of the challenge (as you did 
>> in 2018), do you?
>>
>>
>> Moreover, Nils, Bruce, Cameron, and everybody who is now interested 
>> in contributing to the activities of the UN Committee with new 
>> projects: I propose to have a meeting for discussing the initiatives 
>> that you want to propose.
>>
>> With Serena, we defined two possible time slots. Please find details 
>> on the wiki page of the OSGeo UN Committee under Meeting January 
>> 2019  (https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/UnitedNations_Committee).
>>
>>
>> Thanks to everybody. I'm looking forward to meeting you at the end of 
>> January.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Maria
>>
>>
>>
>> Please pay attention to these two opportunities:
>>
>> A new IJGI Special Issue
>> "State-of-the-Art in Spatial Information Science"
>> (deadline for submissions: 1 may 2019)
>>
>> http://www.mdpi.com/journal/ijgi/special_issues/ISPRS_2020_Nice
>>
>> A new Transaction in GIS  Special Issue
>> "Open Source Geospatial Science, Software and Education"
>> (deadline for abstract submissions: 15 february 2019)
>> https://wol-prod-cdn.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/assets/14679671/Open%20Geospatial%20Science%20Software%20and%20Education.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> *----------------------------------------------------*
>> *Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli*
>> Professor of GIS and Digital Mapping
>> Politecnico di Milano
>>
>> P.zza Leonardo da Vinci, 32 - Building 3 - 20133 Milano (Italy)
>>
>> Tel. +39-02-23996242 - Mob.+39-328-0023867, maria.brovelli at polimi.it 
>> <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>
>>
>> https://orcid.org/0000-0003-3161-556
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *Da:* UN <un-bounces at lists.osgeo.org 
>> <mailto:un-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>> per conto di Bruce Bannerman 
>> <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>>
>> *Inviato:* giovedì 17 gennaio 2019 21:33:51
>> *A:* Nils Hempelmann
>> *Cc:* un at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:un at lists.osgeo.org>
>> *Oggetto:* Re: [UN] Budget proposal 2019
>> Hi Nils,
>>
>> OK by me.
>>
>> However, I will need to insist that we use Chatham House Rule [1].
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> [1] https://www.chathamhouse.org/chatham-house-rule
>>
>>
>> On 17 Jan 2019, at 23:13, Nils Hempelmann <info at nilshempelmann.de 
>> <mailto:info at nilshempelmann.de>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all
>>>
>>> Its nice to read this discussion. Would it make sence and be 
>>> possible to have a video/telefon converence for a profund exchange?
>>> Dealing with very big organisations like UN needs multiple 
>>> strategies. Its good that we are coming up with concrete proposals 
>>> and alternative ideas.
>>>
>>> Cheers nils
>>>
>>>
>>> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone.
>>>
>>> -------- Message d'origine --------
>>> De : Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>
>>> Date : 17/01/2019 12:34 (GMT+01:00)
>>> À : un at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:un at lists.osgeo.org>
>>> Objet : Re: [UN] Budget proposal 2019
>>>
>>> Hi Serena, which I acknowledge the value of your points, I'm 
>>> inclined to agree with Bruce's points that the OSGeo volunteer 
>>> organisation shouldn't be subsidising a funded organisations such as 
>>> the UN (who I've heard are able to find money to purchase ESRI 
>>> licenses).
>>>
>>> It is hard to teach an organisation like the UN that they should pay 
>>> to gain the value of Open Source if we keep diverting our budget 
>>> toward giving them a free ride.
>>>
>>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>>
>>> On 17/1/19 7:48 am, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the more detailed information Serena.
>>>>
>>>> I understand the issue of supporting young and not so young OSGeo 
>>>> volunteers. This is also behind the point that I was trying to make.
>>>>
>>>> There is a principle here, that as a volunteer organisation OSGeo 
>>>> can’t afford to be subsidising other organisations’ use of open 
>>>> source. These organisations need to be encouraged to contribute 
>>>> back to the community, whether through funding, or in kind 
>>>> contributions of staff time and effort, etc.
>>>>
>>>> However, I will not pursue my intervention further at this stage. I 
>>>> appreciate the work that this team is doing and do not wish to 
>>>> derail that effort and good work.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16 Jan 2019, at 22:48, Serena Coetzee <serenacoetzee at gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:serenacoetzee at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Bruce,
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for the constructive comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> OSGeo is a partner in the UN Open GIS initiative and, as partner, 
>>>>> OSGeo has to support the project. Participation in the initiative 
>>>>> is done by volunteers (from OSGeo) and we can't ask the volunteers 
>>>>> to pay with their money. This is the reason for the first request. 
>>>>> OSGeo partnering in the UN Open GIS initiative should benefit you 
>>>>> and all other OSGeo members. Let us know if there anything that 
>>>>> the person travelling to Sudan can do to also improve your case.
>>>>>
>>>>> About the development of training material, this raises awareness 
>>>>> of open source software for geospatial and contributes to capacity 
>>>>> building in OSGeo. It is a way to support young OSGeo members. 
>>>>> Such challenges are common place in industry. The mentors are 
>>>>> working for OSGeo as volunteers, increasing the visibility of 
>>>>> OSGeo within the UN and beyond.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Serena
>>>>>
>>>>> Serena Coetzee (GPr GISc 1245)
>>>>>
>>>>> University of Pretoria
>>>>> Director: Centre for Geoinformation Science
>>>>> Professor and Head of Department Geography, Geoinformatics and 
>>>>> Meteorology
>>>>> Geography Building 3-5, Hatfield Campus, Lynnwood Road, Hatfield, 
>>>>> 0083, South Africa
>>>>> email: serena.coetzee at up.ac.za <mailto:serena.coetzee at up.ac.za> · 
>>>>> Web: www.up.ac.za/ggm <http://www.up.ac.za/ggm> · Mobile: +27 82 
>>>>> 464 4294 · Tel: +27 12 420 3823
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 2:16 AM Bruce Bannerman 
>>>>> <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hello Maria,
>>>>>
>>>>>     I do appreciate your passion towards this initiative and the
>>>>>     outreach work that you do.
>>>>>
>>>>>     However, I am very uncomfortable with the approach outlined in
>>>>>     the proposal below.
>>>>>
>>>>>     The UN should appreciate the value of open source spatial
>>>>>     software by now and be willing to contribute back to the open
>>>>>     source community.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Therefore, I believe that the activities suggested below
>>>>>     should be funded by the UN and not OSGeo.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Regarding the items in the proposal below:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Item 1)   If this is for a UN Project and they value OSGeo
>>>>>     representation, then that should be a UN Project cost and not
>>>>>     an OSGeo cost.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Item 2)   I’m not sure what this is, but I interpret it to be
>>>>>     for the preparation of QGIS training material specific for UN
>>>>>     staff. If so, then again this should be a UN funded activity.
>>>>>     The UN may wish to view this as a voluntary contribution that
>>>>>     they make to the QGIS Community in part recognition of the
>>>>>     benefit that they are receiving from the use of the QGIS Open
>>>>>     Source software. This is also an activity that could be
>>>>>     undertaken by an commercial organisation that specialises in
>>>>>     working with this type of open source software.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Item 3)  I’m not sure what this is, but it also sounds like an
>>>>>     activity that would be for UN benefit. If so, then again, they
>>>>>     should be paying.
>>>>>
>>>>>     IMO, we need to push back against the expectation that open
>>>>>     source is free (as in free beer). There is always a cost to
>>>>>     produce and maintain open source and I would like to see those
>>>>>     who benefit from using the software to be encouraged to
>>>>>     contribute back to the open source communities.
>>>>>
>>>>>     I have been working actively for many years within one of the
>>>>>     UN Agencies and am making some real headway towards this
>>>>>     agency accepting the value of an open source approach to a
>>>>>     specific problem that they have. I can’t discuss this publicly
>>>>>     yet. I’m sure that you’ll appreciate that the wheels can move
>>>>>     quite slowly at times as people become comfortable with what
>>>>>     is in reality a new approach for them and they have internal
>>>>>     processes that need to be followed.
>>>>>
>>>>>     If I have misunderstood the intent of the proposed items in
>>>>>     your email, then I apologise in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>     Bruce
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 16 Jan 2019, at 06:03, Maria Antonia Brovelli
>>>>>>     <maria.brovelli at polimi.it <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>>
>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Dear All
>>>>>>     it is time to make the proposal to OSGeo Board for the
>>>>>>     activities of the UN Committee in 2019.
>>>>>>     We have the UN Open GIS Initiative entering in its third year
>>>>>>     of activities; many people of the UN staff have been trained
>>>>>>     in QGIS and PostGIS (more than 100) thanks to volunteers of
>>>>>>     GeoForAll.
>>>>>>     Currently, there is the third edition of QGIS (Victoria
>>>>>>     Rautenbach chairing the initiative; Thomas Mueller and
>>>>>>     Cameron Green mentoring)and the second one of PostGIS (Ivana
>>>>>>     Ivanova chairing, Paolo Corti, Oliva Martin Sanchez, and
>>>>>>     Gregory Giuliani mentoring).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     About UN Open GIS Initiative the request will be:
>>>>>>     1) support for attending a couple of project meeting and
>>>>>>     training - (one will be probably in South Sudan) 5000$
>>>>>>     2) one UN OSGeo Challenge (similar to what we organized last
>>>>>>     year) to prepare a new training material course on PostGIS
>>>>>>     (the one we are using, which is a Boundless one, has to be
>>>>>>     updated and re-built considering the experience of the
>>>>>>     trainees and trainers). The budget for this initiative will
>>>>>>     be 3000 $, the same as the initiatives of last year. In case
>>>>>>     we got financed, Ivana Ivanova and I can be the mentor of the
>>>>>>     winner of the Challenge.
>>>>>>     3) Moreover, we can ask some budget for another training
>>>>>>     course about SDGs and open data/open software. Last year
>>>>>>     Codrina Maria Ilie was the winner and the training material
>>>>>>     is almost ready and will be released soon (it is about the
>>>>>>     computation of SDG indicator 9.1.1 using QGIS). The budget
>>>>>>     can be 3000 $, the same as last year and Serena Coetzee and I
>>>>>>     can be the mentor.
>>>>>>     Obviously if you there is somebody who wants to offer
>>>>>>     her/himself as a mentor, they are more than welcome!
>>>>>>     Please let me know if you have comments. If none, I will
>>>>>>     proceed with the proposal.
>>>>>>     Bets regards,
>>>>>>     Maria
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Please pay attention to these two opportunities:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     A new IJGI Special Issue
>>>>>>     "State-of-the-Art in Spatial Information Science"
>>>>>>     (deadline for submissions: 1 may 2019)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     http://www.mdpi.com/journal/ijgi/special_issues/ISPRS_2020_Nice
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     A new Transaction in GIS  Special Issue
>>>>>>     "Open Source Geospatial Science, Software and Education"
>>>>>>     (deadline for abstract submissions: 15 february 2019)
>>>>>>     https://wol-prod-cdn.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/assets/14679671/Open%20Geospatial%20Science%20Software%20and%20Education.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *----------------------------------------------------*
>>>>>>     *Prof. Maria Antonia Brovelli*
>>>>>>     Professor of GIS and Digital Mapping
>>>>>>     Politecnico di Milano
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     P.zza Leonardo da Vinci, 32 - Building 3 - 20133 Milano (Italy)
>>>>>>     Tel. +39-02-23996242 - Mob.+39-328-0023867,
>>>>>>     maria.brovelli at polimi.it <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it>
>>>>>>     https://orcid.org/0000-0003-3161-556
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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