[Webcom] web site refactoring [was: Marketing Digest, Vol 16, Issue 10]

Lorenzo Becchi lorenzo at ominiverdi.com
Mon Jan 19 06:38:44 EST 2009

Cameron Shorter wrote:
> Daniele,
> No need to be sorry. It is excellent to see people taking initiative.

@Daniele: if you can please use a better subject than "Marketing 
Digest", we would appreciate.

> Re who is in responsible for what:
> The beauty of OSGeo is that anyone can join any committee, so it is 
> incredibly easy for us to restructure ourselves.
> The marketing committee have collectively noted that Websites are 
> important for marketing, and that $$ should be allocated to the 
> website from the marketing budget. Only $20K (plus I think webcom had 
> $10K already?) and that will not go far.
> I think that Webcom should continue to be responsible for the website, 
> and also responsible for spending the $20K budget. Any marketing 
> people who want to have a say can join the webcom email list. (I 
> suspect most of us are on the list already).

I think this is a great initiative but remembers me some projects for 
the development I've seen here and there travelling around.
I guess that if you want to give $20K to webcom you should better ask 
them if they are interested in and what is their feeling about 
priorities (participative approach [1]).
Chris has sent a good list of objections and I have some more that I've 
posted [2] before.


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participation_(decision_making)
[2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/webcom/2008-December/001937.html

> daniele.ocu ocu wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> I am veryveryvery sorry If I seemed too hasty in the words I chose in 
>> the prior email. Of course that if any actual action in the website 
>> is taken, it will be of common desire both of the Marketing 
>> committee, of the Webcom and of other who are interested.
>> This is just the beginning, where *_gathering information_* is a 
>> crucial part.
>> Getting _*your ideas*_ on what is good about the website and what 
>> might be object to change is an extremely important part of planning 
>> what can be done.
>> This is JUST AN EFFORT to get the OSGeo Community to *_start 
>> discussing and thinking_* of ways to gather more users, contributers, 
>> volunteers and *sponsors* to this vibrant community.
>> This is STILL Just a discussion, a place to set ideas.
>> Daniele.
>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Christopher Schmidt 
>> <crschmidt at metacarta.com <mailto:crschmidt at metacarta.com>> wrote:
>>     On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 03:43:32PM +0900, daniele.ocu ocu wrote:
>>     > Dear Marketing committee,
>>     >
>>     > We have started working on the website redesign.
>>     Daniele,
>>     I'm concerned that this is being done without interaction with
>>     WebCom --
>>     or if this interaction is happening, I'm not aware of it.
>>     Currently, I've expressed some concerns about the current state 
>> of the
>>     OSGeo website, but I do not feel that there is sufficient 
>> agreement in
>>     what the website should *be* that we can discuss Content Design,
>>     Layout
>>     Design, etc.
>>     I have some strong ideas about what the OSGeo website should be --
>>     or at
>>     least, questions about what it should be that would need answering
>>     before any redesign was attempted.
>>     Additionally, I think that any website redesign effort can only be
>>     undertaken if a sufficiently motivated set of developers in the
>>     website
>>     technology are involved. I'm not convinced that that is currently 
>> the
>>     case; I don't know how much experience you have with the current
>>     website
>>     technology, but I didn't have the impression that you were 
>> comfortable
>>     implementing possible changes in this regard.
>>     At the moment, I would like to say that although Marketing can
>>     feel free
>>     to create an advisory suggestion to WebCom about suggestions for the
>>     website, I  do ont feel that WebCom has suficient resources to
>>     implement
>>     any possible suggestions, and I would consider the feedback from
>>     Marketing -- except insofar as it relates directly towards marketing
>>     tasks like management of branding -- to be advisory only.
>>     Please take this into account in any decisions/investment placed
>>     in this
>>     direction.
>>     SOmetime in the near future, I will do my best to outline my 
>> hopes for
>>     the OSGeo website to the members of the community; I expect the end
>>     result will be a discussion (either on mailing lists or in a more
>>     interactive forum) about what the OSGeo website should be. When I do
>>     this, I will involve Marketing in that discussion as much as 
>> possible.
>>     I appreciate the effort you want to go through, but I just feel 
>> at the
>>     moment that it might be a wasted effort due to lack of general
>>     agreement
>>     on the tasks needed for the website; if this is the result of some
>>     larger discussion I'm missing, I apologize, and I look forward to
>>     resolving my confusion. I don't want to stop the Marketing committee
>>     from participating in website advisory positions, but I also don't
>>     want
>>     to see anyone put forth effort  which may be wasted.
>>     Best Regards,
>>     --
>>     Christopher Schmidt
>>     MetaCarta
>> -- 
>> Researcher @ Osaka City University
>> Graduate School for Creative Cities
>> http://gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/gistrends
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