[Webcom] so how are we doing here?

Cameron Shorter cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Thu Aug 11 15:58:15 PDT 2016

Watching this email thread from a distance.

I think webcom has struck a legacy content maintenance issue. (Possibly 
even call it an anti-design pattern)

This is how it goes:

* Lots of people start doing work creating dynamic content which could 
be maintained if the current level of enthusiasm were maintained. Core 
content is completed, and all that is left is maintenance. Maintenance 
is not as sexy and volunteers drop off. Content becomes out-of-date. The 
effort required to update is huge and there is a reluctance to remove 
someone else's hard effort of creation.

* Potential solution: Allow and encourage new volunteers to be ruthless 
in cleaning up and removing old content. Give new volunteers sufficient 
authority to make decisions and put ideas into action. Enforce a rule 
that new content should be static. Ie no "news" pages, unless they are 
sourcing from a news site.

Cheers, Cameron

On 12/08/2016 2:09 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> A request for proposal is *one* way to handle things, it is how we came up
> with the osgeo branding for example. It is good for individual "one off"
> tasks.
> For content I expect the only sustainable way is to attract a bunch of
> motivated volunteers to go over the website content and/or produce new
> content.
> - A quick thing to do is find out which wiki pages are acting in an
> official capacity, and migrate them to the website
> - Ensure committee leads have website access to migrate and/or maintain page
> Back to request for proposal - if you can think of any way we can act as a
> multiplier for those volunteers then that is the kind of thing we can use
> the webcomm budget on:
> - say hiring a graphics designer on time and materials to supply consistent
> diagrams
> - an editor to review content a couple days a month
> For things, such as a map of support providers, chapters, osgeo labs,
> etc... that are within our communities expertise we may have luck
> recruiting on discuss at osgeo.org.
> You may also wish to use the website committee budget to hold a content
> sprint? Either in person, or in collaboration with local chapters around
> the the world, etc...
> --
> Jody Garnett
> On 11 August 2016 at 08:29, Ian Edwards <iedwards.pub at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've added Paul to the admins role on the drupal site.
>>> how do we make WebCom relevant again, and what is the purpose of the
>> group?
>> I've believe the purpose of webcom is to manage official content updates on
>> the main site, as opposed to wiki updates made by anyone, and that the
>> reason the group is struggling is a lack of volunteers to make content
>> edits.
>> There is still a separate task to rebuild the website, I think Jody is
>> suggesting there may be a request for proposals for taking this forward.
>> I've not been able to find any time recently for voluntary work, I'm keen
>> to see webcom continue and be successful, but I'm not currently in a
>> position to invest much time and I'm happy if someone else wants to take
>> over and get things going again.
>> Ian
>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 3:06 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I have been thinking hard about this email thread, can we reach out to
>> the
>>> system admin committee for increased access?
>>> If anyone is going to be at foss4g, or is available for a hangout after
>>> foss4g, I would love to go over your list.
>>> The list of responsibilities is decent - most committees have stopped
>>> reporting to the board monthly (unless they have something to say). I
>> tend
>>> to find an email to the board list is enough - unless there is something
>>> special to ask for ...
>>> We can also build up relationships with other committees (marketing,
>> system
>>> admin committees, geoforall, project committees) as required. Like it may
>>> be good to reach out to each official local chapter and offer them a web
>>> page on osgeo.org?
>>> As mentioned I am mostly here to help with the serivces providers page,
>> and
>>> while I could probably figure out how to do the technical side of it I
>>> expect that everyone will be better served if we do a request for
>>> proposals.
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>> On 8 August 2016 at 02:42, R. Paul Warriner <paul at warriner.us> wrote:
>>>> The following is an act of self-punishment, and not to be construed as
>>>> commments towards anyone else.
>>>> Well, that was an exercise in futility. Understandably, I have no more
>>>> permissions than anyone else in this conversation. It appears that most
>>> of
>>>> the responsibility of this committee has propogated to SAC and other
>>>> groups. I know this is sounding like something from the "bureaucrat"
>>>> permissions group, but it appears some of us do not even rate that
>> level
>>>> anymore.
>>>> So, I have to ask; how do we make WebCom relevant again, and what is
>> the
>>>> purpose of the group? Well, I can only go by what is published, and
>> right
>>>> off the bat, we are 8 years behind in our monthly reports (and
>> obviously,
>>>> forget about the "create, maintain, and update" portion at the moment).
>>> :)
>>>> Reprinted (for a knock on my own head):
>>>> The OSGeo Web Site Committee (WebCom) was established at the first
>> OSGeo
>>>> board meeting. In general, you can blame us for all content in
>>>> www.osgeo.org, and other non-project-specific web sites. Committee
>>> status
>>>> information, policies, meeting minutes and working documents live in
>> the
>>>> WebCOM Wiki http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Website_Committee .
>>>> The web site committee has responsibilities to:
>>>> * create, maintain, and update the content for the foundation web site.
>>>> * recommend appropriate website technologies (e.g. wiki)
>>>> * decide and implement a site wide style guideline.
>>>> * support foundation projects in use of portal technologies and common
>>>> style.
>>>> * add and remove committee members as needed.
>>>> * report back to the board (via Chair) to the board monthly on
>> activities
>>>> and issues.
>>>> * pursue translation of portions of the site into other languages.
>>>> I guess my first question is, does a reboot mean we start at the
>>>> beginning, and quickly read and store what we need to accomplish the
>>> tasks,
>>>> and if we do not understand the instruction set, throw out a notice,
>>> give a
>>>> warning, or full stop for further informations?
>>>>>      On August 5, 2016 at 8:43 AM "R. Paul Warriner" <
>> paul at warriner.us>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>      Thanks strk. I'm back in, and will start getting back up to speed
>>> by
>>>> poking around. :)
>>>>>          > >
>>>>>>          On August 5, 2016 at 7:08 AM Sandro Santilli <strk at kbt.io>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>          On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 06:28:51AM -0400, paul warriner.us
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>              > > >
>>>>>>>                  > > > >
>>>>>>>>                  Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>              > > >
>>>>>>>              Sorry for my complete lack of involvement with this,
>>> but
>>>> it has been an interesting few years. I recently found I have some time
>>> on
>>>> my hands to also assist, if needed.
>>>>>>>              I tried my old login, but cannot remember my
>> password,
>>>> and found the reset disabled.
>>>>>>>                  > > > >
>>>>>>>>                  It was disabled by Frank because not functional
>>>> anyway, see detail here:
>>>>>>>>                  https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1758
>>>>>>>>                  I have been building some internal drupal sites
>>> at
>>>> OP, using v7, and think I could be of assistance for some of the
>>>> maintenance.
>>>>>>>>                  Maybe you can help to properly have it redirect
>>> to
>>>> the correct
>>>>>>>>                  password reset script (see the above ticket) ?
>>>>>>>>                  If needed, I'm here.
>>>>>>>>                  There is a "WebSite" component on the osgeo
>> trac,
>>>> you could pick
>>>>>>>>                  any of the tickets there to help:
>>>>>>>>              > > >
>>>>>>>          > >
>>>>>>          https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/query?status=!closed&
>>>> component=WebSite https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/query?status=!closed&
>>>> component=WebSite https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/query?status=!closed&
>>>> component=WebSite https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/query?status=!closed&
>>>> component=WebSite
>>>>>>          Note that #1758 (first link) is marked as "closed" so won't
>>>> show
>>>>>>          up in the query output, so if you want to start there
>>> consider
>>>>>>          reopening it.
>>>>>>          Happy WebCom reboot !
>>>>>>          --strk;
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