Enc: Fwd: [Benchmarking] ESRI Participation

Sat Aug 22 16:28:44 EDT 2009

A comment from the sidelines ...

<snip> wrote:
> Cameron,
>
> I don't want to enter on one more discussion, but please tell Paul that it is obvious that what you have to do is benchmarking over Virtual Machines.
> Let ESRI build their VM with whatever SO they wish. If they like Windows better, let them be it (they will lose...)
>
> But please don't let ESRI defined the playground you are competing!!!!
> Why should the other players be forced to run on ESRI choice of OS?
> Don't let them make the rules! (I know them well ...)
>
>
> Cheers,
> <snip>
>
>
> ----- Mensagem encaminhada ----
> De: Paul Ramsey <pramsey at cleverelephant.ca>
> Para: benchmarking at lists.osgeo.org
> Cc: ichivite at esri.com; ebader at esri.com; ssankaran at esri.com
> Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 21 de Agosto de 2009 22:50:16
> Assunto: Fwd: [Benchmarking] ESRI Participation
>
> Benchmarkers,
>
> Since GeoWeb, I have been talking with ESRI about joining the
> benchmarking round this year, but we are having some issue wrt
> platform, which are detailed below. Open question is basically, "can
> we change OS at this point" from a convenience PoV. We need a decision
> from our group on that ASAP to help ESRI get to their own decision
> about participation.
>
> Can someone volunteer to be the main point-of-contact with ESRI for
> the next two weeks? I am going to the beach on Sunday and will be out
> of contact until Labour Day.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ismael Chivite <ichivite at esri.com>
> Date: Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:47 AM
> Subject: RE: [Benchmarking] ESRI Participation
> To: "pramsey at cleverelephant.ca" <pramsey at cleverelephant.ca>, Satish
> Sankaran <ssankaran at esri.com>
> Cc: Eric Bader <ebader at esri.com>
>
>
> Paul,
>
>  My name is Ismael Chivite, I work with Satish in the ArcGIS Server
> Product Management team. I just wanted to share some thoughts
> regarding ESRI's participation in the map service benchmark report for
> the upcoming FOSS4G conference.
>
>  We are certainly very interested in participating in this exercise.
> It is a good opportunity to see where these technologies stand from a
> performance point of view, which ultimately is going to help all of us
> improve our products to serve our users better.
>
>  Satish facilitated to me a description of the tests that have been
> proposed and the 'rules of engagement'. One of the topics that may put
> us out of the game is the fact that you want to use a particular
> version of Linux which we do not support.  While I agree that CentOS
> is virtually no different than RHL, the fact is that we (ESRI) do not
> certify ArcGIS Server on CentOS. My concern running on CentOS is not
> coming from the technical side, but from the support side. I
> understand that people (users) are going to look at the results of
> this benchmark. I do not want to send a message out there in which we
> promote the use of an operating system that we do not certify. I
> assure you that if we do that we will get right away tech support
> calls from users, which is the last thing I want as an outcome of our
> participation in this exercise.
>
>  So in essence, and as much as we want to participate on this, we
> (ESRI) will need to step aside unless we run on RHL or other
> environment that we currently support. Since technically the operating
> systems (RHL and CentOS) are almost identical, I wonder if you would
> be willing to either run all tests on this OS, or at least allow ESRI
> to run on it.  I believe that the second scenario could be perfectly
> valid as long as people are made aware of the differences between
> CentOS and RHL. I would like to ask you to consider these options.
>
>  Finally, I also wanted you to know that I would be more than happy to
> provide the hardware environment for this benchmark as well. We do
> have some 8 core Dell 1950s available that we could use for this
> purpose.  If we need to, we could allow the different participants to
> log into our servers and own them for the duration of the benchmark.
>
>  Thanks for your time,
>
>
> Ismael Chivite
> ArcGIS Server Product Manager
> ESRI
> http://www.esri.com
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Ramsey [mailto:pramsey at cleverelephant.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:57 AM
> To: Satish Sankaran
> Subject: Re: [Benchmarking] ESRI Participation
>
> Actually, getting a little pushback now (since doing RHEL means
> starting all the other prep work again from scratch). Your folks are
> certain Centos5 is not possible? (I mean, it's not like we are going
> to be putting in support calls over this, there's "unsupported" and
> then there's "doesn't work".)
>
> P.
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Satish Sankaran<ssankaran at esri.com> wrote:
>   
>>       Bear with me as I try to work this one internally here. Here's a reply
>> from our linux guy on what we (ArcGIS Server) would need. Will you guys be
>> OK with this?
>>
>> Red Hat 5 updates are supported.  ArcGIS Server can be installed on the
>> latest update (5.3).
>>
>> The System Requirements page
>> (http://wikis.esri.com/wiki/display/ag93bsr/ArcGIS+Server+Operating+System+Requirements+and+Limitations#ArcGISServerOperatingSystemRequirementsandLimitations-Linux
>>
>> ) also lists out specific (32-bit) packages that need to be installed on the
>> RHEL 5 machine prior to installing ArcGIS Server
>>
>>
>>     
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