[OSGeo-Conf] liability

[Jachym Cepicky]

not to forget: we tell everybody in the city to go to the bar, since you
get the best stuff and all your friends are already there anyway

j

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015, 23:54 Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
wrote:

> I like the bar analogy from Eli.
>
> I know many people around the world worked very hard to create that bar,
> to build it, to allow those to walk in recently, order a beer (easily as
> you said), and give them the stage with a spotlight.
>
> So let's just keep positive, and make the Seoul event the "bigbang" of
> the year, and then continue the bang in Bonn, and then wherever in 2017.
>   (this is exactly my mindset, and, i personally do everything i can
> behind the scenes with Sanghee and Till, to help make this happen).
>
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
>
> On 2015-06-18 3:46 PM, Eli Adam wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Darrell Fuhriman <darrell at garnix.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> If OSGeo is getting the benefits of any proceeds, they need to be
> assuming
> >>>> the liability as well.
> >>>
> >>> I agree with this.  I'd have to reread contracts (or get a lawyer's
> >>> opinion) but I think most of the liability is already largely on
> >>> OSGeo.
> >>
> >> This was the case for Portland, and was part of the contract signed
> with the VTM Group (the POC) and OSGeo.
> >
> > Agree.
> >
> >>
> >> The LoC *couldn’t* accept any liability, because the LoC was not a
> legal entity, and to ask the LoC members to accept personal liability is
> obviously ridiculous.
> >>
> >>
> >> So far OSGeo’s FOSS4G operating model is essentially this:
> >>
> >> 1) "Anyone want to run a conference for us?"
> >> 2) Choose one of the people who offer to do it and delegate
> >> 3) Give them a pile of money
> >> 4) Hope for the best
> >> 5) Profit(?)
> >
> > If Darrell and I are in the bar, I'm prone to handing him my wallet,
> > saying "here's 40k, see you in a year with 100k", then I slap him on
> > the back and say "good luck!"  His reactions range from a mild glare,
> > a gentle laugh, and occasionally a frothing at the mouth rant.  This
> > model although very stressful for the LOC and chair, generally appears
> > to work.
> >
> >>
> >> If (5) instead becomes “Lose money” that’s on OSGeo, and that’s as it
> should be, because if (5) is “Profit” it gets all the rewards, too.
> >
> > But more seriously, yes (5) is/should not be "Profit(?)" but "Profit
> > or loss".  As I said before, I'm not convinced that this is not
> > already the case.  We can certainly clarify this in the RFP which will
> > go out soon for 2017.  Feel free to join in on the RFP process
> > details,
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2015-May/003012.html
> >
> > Eli
> >
> >>
> >> If Gaia3d (presumably) is accepting any direct financial or legal
> liability for FOSS4G 2015 that is a *major* problem in my mind.
> >>
> >> d.
> >>
> >>
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