[OSGeo-Discuss] Input regarding Axis Order Confusion

Daniel Morissette dmorissette at mapgears.com
Fri Dec 15 11:53:25 EST 2006

I was starting to get lost in this thread but what Paul wrote summarizes 
my thinking very well: 1.3 brings no real new value for interoperability 
except making ISO happy and making things more complicated. That being 
said, we will probably support WMS 1.3 in MapServer sooner than later, 
even if it's just from completeness.

Sorry for not jumping in earlier Arnulf. I have already spent too much 
energy talking about this 1.3 fiasco in the past and didn't feel I had 
much to add.

BTW, I think there was going to be a discussion on this issue at this 
week's OGC TC meetings. Can someone who was present please summarize 
what came out of that discussion?


Paul Ramsey wrote:
> Actually, what you'll see is that uDig did when confronted with the 
> WMS1.3 conundrum: request version no higher than 1.1.1. The nice thing 
> about 1.3 servers is that they tend to support *all* versions, so just 
> always using VERSION=1.1.1 guarantees an easy dodge of the problem.
> Since functionality was *removed* from 1.3, *and* the axis order was 
> reversed for fun, there is no *benefit* to using 1.3, except it has a 
> higher version number.  Vote with your code, keep VERSION <= 1.1.1
> P.
> Arnulf Christl wrote:
>> Hey
>> thanx Paulo, Jody, Bob and all others for the input. As always good input
>> from GeoTools. Problem is that this is way too long and complicated to 
>> the
>> neogeographer.
>> Schyler,
>> could you please reformulate your 1000 year pledge, I don't get it (soy
>> extranjero).
>> So we are back at the start - or was it the end. My trouble with this is
>> that I have already seen way too many hmtl clients in the web hopping to
>> the right when you wanted to go left. With 1.3 applications will break
>> more often. This is not good. All we can do is keep the exposed 
>> interfaces
>> really well isolated. Anything else might be added to the Wiki, I am done
>> with this issue at this point.
>> Regards, Arnulf.
>> On Thu, December 14, 2006 19:32, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>> Here is an interesting page to link to:
>>> - http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/The+axis+order+issue
>>> GeoTools is taking the stance of - provide a way for the application to
>>> handle the problem (because it will occur), with the recommendation that
>>> this control be passed onto the end user as an "advanced option" if
>>> needed.
>>> You will also find that for the new URI format of SRS used by WMS1.3 or
>>> WFS1.1 we believe the EPSG table order, the codes are only ambiguous in
>>> their more common "AUTHORY:NUMBER" form...
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jody
>>>> Hello,
>>>> if you are aware of anything that might enhance information regarding
>>>> the
>>>> great Axis Order Confusion that we are faced with in the spatial realm
>>>> please feel free to add it to this Wiki page:
>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Axis_Order_Confusion
>>>> There is some discussion going as to having to break WMS 1.1.1 (and WFS
>>>> and SFS and probably everything) in order to rectify this problem which
>>>> I
>>>> think is the end of the world. Well, ok maybe not quite but it will 
>>>> make
>>>> things stall, so lets be reasonable on this.
>>>> Thanks,
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Daniel Morissette

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