[FOSS4G-Oceania] Motion: extended, targeted call for papers if needed

[Sarah Goodwin]

Hi,

My email definitely went to the thread, but there have been a lot in here -
so not surprised it was missed.

I am certainly not for "talks by women for women" or accepting any
submissions blindly. This discussion was about wanting to diversify the
speakers, not special treatment or the need for certain demographics to be
singled out.

I personally don't see the problem with already having 8 of 50+, I think
this is okay as I pointed out there are far fewer women in the community.
This is to be expected.

But if we do want to diversify speakers than we can certainly try if we run
an extended CfP but then we just need to be clear and honest about the
reasons and if you only open it for the demographic you are encouraging
then you increase the submissions from that demographic only. Else we end
up with the same problem in a couple of weeks time... If we get no more
submissions from a second round that's okay too! But at least it showed an
intention to try.

To keep things fair though - we could finish the second round call, after
the first voting round is finished and then actually place the new
submissions from round 2 with the submissions that didn't quite meet the
cut from round 1 - because we retained say 5 (N) slots for the second
round. If all the first round ones get the highest votes again, then that's
okay too - and they get in. but it might feel a waste of effort ...but at
least we are not saying that the second round group got any special
treatment - as it seems to be.

Hope that makes sense,

Sarah


On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 at 11:48, Andrew Harvey <andrew at alantgeo.com.au> wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018, at 11:31 AM, Daniel Silk wrote:
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 12:26 PM adam steer <adam.d.steer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think Sarah has some great points. We can be brave and say ‘well, we
> didn’t get what we expect, so we have N slots available for a round 2 CFP,
> which is open only for women’
>
>
> I don't see Sarah's email, I guess it didn't come through to the list?
>
>
> The strategy we would employ is this:
>
> - Open a second call for papers, be open about our failure to attract a
> speaker cohort that reflects the community in the first round.
>
>
> Alyssa Wright's talk at State of the Map 2013 noted that:
>  - 3% of contributions to OpenStreetMap are by women
>  - 1% of participants in open source communities are women
>
>
> What do the women on this list feel about being focussed on as per a
> specific CFP and community vote?
>
>
>
> **We could further restrict the vote to women - talks by women, for women?
> Why not? effectively we arguably right now have talks by men for men :D
>
>
> We've taken a similar approach to
> https://geekfeminism.org/2012/05/21/how-i-got-50-women-speakers-at-my-tech-conference/
> and
> https://2012.jsconf.eu/2012/09/17/beating-the-odds-how-we-got-25-percent-women-speakers.html
> and http://conference.hopper.org.nz/#selection and
> https://hbr.org/2014/01/theres-no-excuse-for-all-white-male-panels.
>
> And a lot of these resources + about commentary on Twitter etc is pretty
> explicit about this point:
>
> if you are going around asking people to speak at your event and they are
> generally under-represented at your event (say, women at a tech
> conference), you need to avoid treating them in a special way.
>
>
> I think these proposals are going waaay down this route.
>
> There's obviously a need here to do better within this community on a
> daily basis, not just a one off effort in trying to achieve a diverse
> speaker line-up for a conference.
> The first would make the second a lot easier.
>
>
> +1 to all these points.
>
> I'm -1 to extending the CFP to one specific demographic. If it's extended
> I think it should be non-discriminatory.
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