[Incubator] Recommend Graduation of Rasdaman from OSGeo Incubation

Wed Oct 29 17:43:59 PDT 2014

I understand Cameron,

We may indeed end up tabling the motion, I just want to avoid dragging
things on due to indecision on how to run meetings / motions on email list.

Aside: Your single -1 vote would be fine, Bruce could then make another
motion when it appears the project is in position to answer your questions.

Jody Garnett

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
wrote:

>  Jody,
> For the record, I provided comprehensive review comments which I feel need
> to be addressed before rasdaman should be considered ready for incubation.
> While I think rasdaman is close, I'm -1 on graduation until these comments
> have been addressed.
>
>
>
> On 19/10/2014 8:30 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>
> Hi Peter and Bruce,
> I've reviewed the incubation documentation provided, and provided a few
> spot reviews of the referenced documentation.
> Overall, I think the documentation is in good shape, but missing
> explanations, particularly around licenses and testing.
>
>
> Below are a few things that I'd like to see looked into before final sign
> off:
>
> Looking at: http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist which
> provides the summary about how the project is ready to complete graduation.
>
> * For each statement that you are addressing, please add a brief sentence
> explaining HOW you are addressing the statement, possibly also with an
> OPINION.
> For instance, currently for: "Open communication channels", you have "see
> MailingLists".
> In reviewing, I can see that a mailing list has been set up. In looking at
> the list, I see users are asked questions on the user list and there are
> answers. I can see that auto-patch messages are being pumped into the
> developers list. In my quick scan, I can't see discussions between
> developers about a new feature, and discussions about a design idea. So I'd
> suggest describing how communication is happening. Maybe:
> "See MailingLists <URL>. User questions are typically addressed on the
> user email list. Development is currently mostly happening at Jacobs
> University, and discussions about development typically happen in person,
> and the results of such conversations are summarised onto the developer
> email list (or ...)."
>
> * For "Open Source License": I'd be hoping to see a statement about the
> dual license, including a comment about the enterprise license. I'm ok with
> the dual license concept which I think fits with OSGeo principles.
> Further, from the material and links provided, it seems plausible that the
> GPL license terms are broken by LGPL and enterprise licensed products being
> distributed.
> I feel there needs to be an explanation of the enterprise license, and
> then about how LGPL products and enterprise products don't need to be GPL
> (because they don't link in any GPL libraries?).
>
> * "*Long term viability*":
> Sentence needed here discussing roughly how many contributors you have,
> (as well as existing reference to patchmanager).
>
> * *Project documentation is available under an open license, as
> documented here: Legal*:
> The referenced "Legal" link doesn't talk about Documentation. Please
> reference correct documentation license link.
>
> * *http://rasdaman.org/wiki/Legal <http://rasdaman.org/wiki/Legal>* :
> Remove references to "... blah-blah ..."
>
> * " *Which includes execution of the testing process before releasing a
> stable release:  http://212.201.49.21:35000/ <http://212.201.49.21:35000/>"*
> :
>  Link requires user log in. A sentence explaining testing will help here.
>
> * "*All patches submitted to the repository undergo review before being
> applied to the code base: http://www.rasdaman.org/patchmanager
> <http://www.rasdaman.org/patchmanager>*" :
> This doesn't confirm that patches are reviewed (by a person), only that
> you use patchmanager.
>
> * "*Systemtests are to be run by developers before submitting patches:
> http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/CodeGuide
> <http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/CodeGuide>*" :
> This code guide is good, but on my first pass, I can't see any reference
> to testing processes. How do you verify that all code is tested? Ideally
> reference continual integration or similar.
>
> * Link to   *http://rasdaman.org/browser/systemtest
> <http://rasdaman.org/browser/systemtest>*  is broken. I'm looking for
> evidence of testing processes, including unit testing, continuous
> integration, and a system testing plan which is executed.
>
>
> On 30/10/2014 7:23 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
>
> We are running into the end of our 10 business days - if you have not
> already done so please take this opportunity to review Bruce's
> recommendation, and the documentation provided by the Rasdaman community.
>
>  Jody Garnett
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the nomination Bruce.
>>
>>  As this list sees such low traffic/participation we have struggled to
>> reach quorum. I would like to keep this motion open for two weeks (10
>> business days) to allow members to review and vote.
>>  --
>> Jody
>>
>>  Jody Garnett
>>
>>   On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:25 PM, Bruce Bannerman <
>> bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Project:                    Rasdaman
>>>
>>>  Project Contact:       Peter Baumann
>>>
>>> Project Mentor:        Bruce Bannerman
>>>
>>>
>>> Recommendation:   Rasdaman to Graduate from OSGeo Incubation
>>>
>>>
>>> Incubation Checklist:  http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Comments:
>>>
>>> I have been monitoring and participating in the Rasdaman Community
>>> developer and user email lists for over four years. I plan to continue to
>>> participate within the community.
>>>
>>> It has been pleasing to see how the community has evolved over this time
>>> to develop effective, open and robust processes.
>>>
>>> I recommend to other FOSS4G communities to review what has been done, as
>>> you may well find that Rasdaman offers a compelling solution for the
>>> management of multi-dimensional array or gridded data that your project may
>>> be able to capitalise on.
>>>
>>> A summary of community activity may be found at:
>>> https://www.openhub.net/p/rasdaman
>>>
>>>  Key project members are active within both OSGeo and the OGC.
>>>
>>> Within the OGC they have successfully guided a range of standards to
>>> support mutltidimensional array (gridded) data which have culminated
>>> (currently) in Web Coverage Service version 2.0 and a suite of extensions,
>>> see: http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wcs
>>>
>>> The project's principal, Professor Peter Baumann was also recently
>>> awarded OGC's prestigious Kenneth D Gardels award for his contributions to
>>> OGC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After having participated within the community for four years and having
>>> reviewed their OSGeo Project Graduation Checklist, I believe that Rasdaman
>>> Community have fulfilled the requirements of OSGeo Incubation and are
>>> eligible to graduate as an OSGeo Project.
>>>
>>>
>>>  The only reservation that I have is over the dual licensing model that
>>> is used by the sponsoring company, Rasdaman GmbH. See:
>>> http://www.rasdaman.com/Product/commercial+free.php
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are two versions: Community (GPL and LGPL) and Enterprise (free
>>> from GPL constraints).
>>>
>>> The main difference between the two versions is summarised at:
>>> http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Features
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This dual licensing may create a problem for the Rasdaman Community in
>>> the future should Rasdaman GmbH decide to sell its stake in the Rasdaman
>>> Enterprise version of the software. We have already seen a similar
>>> situation arise after the sale of MySQL which was similarly licensed.
>>>
>>> However as the community edition of the software is released under open
>>> source licenses, I expect that the main impact would be to the continuity
>>> of the Rasdaman Community in its current form. In the event of a sale, we
>>> may see the software forked, as happened with MySQL.
>>>
>>>  For consideration and vote.
>>>
>>>  Bruce
>>>
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>>
>>
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