[MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning

[Michael Smith]

+0 (abstain)

Mike

On 1/5/24, 8:55 AM, "MapServer-dev on behalf of Daniel Morissette via MapServer-dev" <mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>> wrote:


+1


Daniel


On 2024-01-05 05:57, Seth G via MapServer-dev wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've updated the budget to include the amount requested in 2021 for 
> release management ($1,500), so we can vote on a final budget and 
> present it to the board. The total amount requested is $4,500.
> It would be good to vote on this in the next few days as the deadline 
> for submitting workshops for FOSS4G Europe in the 14th of January so I'd 
> need to create an outline.
> I've a few extra items we can add to a sponsorhip wiki page and maybe 
> circulate on the mapserver-users list to see if we can generate 
> additional development funds.
> 
> I'll start with my +1.
> 
> Seth
> 
> 
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> 
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, at 12:10 AM, Michael Smith wrote:
>>
>> Mid-Late Jan or so. We haven’t scheduled the budget meeting yet.
>>
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>> *From: *Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com <mailto:sdlime at gmail.com>>
>> *Date: *Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:46 PM
>> *To: *Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk <mailto:sethg at geographika.co.uk>>
>> *Cc: *Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com <mailto:even.rouault at spatialys.com>>, Michael Smith 
>> <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>>, MapServer Devs 
>> <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
>>
>>
>> Anyone know that deadline?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 10:05 AM Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com <mailto:sdlime at gmail.com> 
>> <mailto:sdlime at gmail.com <mailto:sdlime at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't have any additions.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 3:48 AM Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk <mailto:sethg at geographika.co.uk>
>> <mailto:sethg at geographika.co.uk <mailto:sethg at geographika.co.uk>>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> It seems many projects have submitted their budget requests
>> for next year to OSGeo - I presume there is an end-of-year
>> deadline to be met?
>>
>>
>> I've added in items from this thread to
>> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget>>
>>
>> Jeff has discussed the 8.2 release for January, so I've added
>> in the release manager role. I guess the requested amount
>> depends upon if there are also plans for additional patch
>> releases in 2024 and MapCache releases.
>>
>> Once this value is finalised it would be good to take a vote
>> and submit to OSGeo in the next few days. Alternatively we can
>> just go with the 2021 value and vote now. If there are any
>> other items to add please edit the page.
>>
>>
>> I'll also look at creating a page of other ideas for MapServer
>> for sponsorship opportunities, similar to the GeoTools one at
>> https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/GeoTools-2024-Sponsorship-Opportunities <https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/GeoTools-2024-Sponsorship-Opportunities> <https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/GeoTools-2024-Sponsorship-Opportunities> <https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/GeoTools-2024-Sponsorship-Opportunities>>
>>
>>
>> Seth
>>
>>
>> --
>>
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>>
>> twitter: @geographika
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 4:36 PM, Even Rouault wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I agree we should cut use of Travis if the budget for
>> MapServer is so low. Yes, the specificity of the Travis CI
>> checks is to test 2 versions of PHP, but I suspect this
>> could be migrated to GHA if needed (e.g perhaps using
>> https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php <https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php>
>> <https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php> <https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php>>). For
>> AddressSanitizer, this would be trivial to port to GHA.
>>
>> (GDAL only use of Travis CI is to test exotic
>> architectures, in particular ARM64, which aren't available
>> on GHA. But GDAL only uses the OSGeo provided budget for
>> that, so that's OK for it)
>>
>> Even
>>
>> Le 14/12/2023 à 16:18, Seth G a écrit :
>>
>> It seems a shame to spend over 80% of the budget on
>> Travis, completely switching to GitHub Actions would
>> be another item it would be good to add to the
>> MapServer 2024 plan/budget and PSC vote.
>>
>> There were some previous discussions about this in
>> 2020 [1]. Since then GHA seems to have advanced whilst
>> Travis has stagnated. In addition MapCache switched
>> away from Travis [2]. I see GDAL still uses Travis so
>> maybe there are some advantages I'm not aware of.
>>
>> As far as I can tell it is only the AddressSanitizer
>> run and PHP builds that Travis includes that aren't
>> already in GHA [2].
>>
>>
>> Seth
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html> <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html> <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html>>
>>
>> [2] https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274 <https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274>
>> <https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274> <https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274>>
>>
>> [3]
>> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 2:59 PM, Michael Smith wrote:
>>
>> For 2023, some of the funds were used for the
>> Travis subscription for mapserver which is $828/yr
>> (69/mo). So $172 would be available for the rest
>> of the year. The PayPal donation would carry over.
>> Project funds do not.
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Smith
>>
>> OSGeo Treasurer
>>
>> treasurer at osgeo.org <mailto:treasurer at osgeo.org> <mailto:treasurer at osgeo.org <mailto:treasurer at osgeo.org>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com <mailto:sdlime at gmail.com>>
>> <mailto:sdlime at gmail.com <mailto:sdlime at gmail.com>>
>> *Date: *Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 8:31 AM
>> *To: *Michael Smith <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>>
>> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>>
>> *Cc: *Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com <mailto:even.rouault at spatialys.com>>
>> <mailto:even.rouault at spatialys.com <mailto:even.rouault at spatialys.com>>, Seth G
>> <sethg at geographika.co.uk <mailto:sethg at geographika.co.uk>>
>> <mailto:sethg at geographika.co.uk <mailto:sethg at geographika.co.uk>>, MapServer Devs
>> <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>>
>> <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
>>
>>
>> Is there any chance of accessing the FY23 $'s?
>> Problem is that we don't have a project bank account.
>>
>>
>> There was also a $1,310 donation via PayPal in
>> March 2022 that looks to have come in via OSGeo
>> via PayPal but was earmarked specifically for
>> MapServer. Mike, I can send you a copy of that
>> email if you'd like.
>>
>>
>> --Steve
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:34 PM Michael Smith
>> <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>> Proposed default for FY24 per project is $1000
>> USD. Yes you can request more than that but
>> there should be a plan for the additional
>> amounts voted by PSC.
>>
>>
>> Funds from donation are 295.45 (looks like it
>> was mostly in 2021 and a bit in 2022).
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>> Michael Smith
>>
>> OSGeo Treasurer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com <mailto:sdlime at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:sdlime at gmail.com <mailto:sdlime at gmail.com>>>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 4:56 PM
>> *To: *Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com <mailto:even.rouault at spatialys.com>
>> <mailto:even.rouault at spatialys.com <mailto:even.rouault at spatialys.com>>>, Michael
>> Smith <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>>>
>> *Cc: *Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk <mailto:sethg at geographika.co.uk>
>> <mailto:sethg at geographika.co.uk <mailto:sethg at geographika.co.uk>>>, MapServer
>> Devs <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>> <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget
>> planning
>>
>>
>> Great ideas, I'd support both of them. The
>> question becomes how much to allocate in each
>> instance. I guess some basic questions I'd
>> have (and maybe Mike knows) are:
>>
>> 1. What's that standard per project budget
>> allocation from OSGeo? I thought it was
>> something like $1,500 but I'm not sure.
>> 2. Is there any chance of getting $'s beyond
>> that? The 2020 budget referenced earlier
>> in the thread was submitted to the board
>> but it was pretty clear there was no
>> opportunity to secure funding beyond that
>> base amount.
>> 3. We have some $'s that have been donated
>> via Paypal. I don't know the amount but
>> there should be at least $1,000 available
>> and that could be considered as another
>> means of paying for this work. Again, Mike
>> do you know what the MapServer balance is
>> via the donate button?
>> 4. We are still in 2023 - can we allocate
>> this years' standard budget allocation to
>> this work or otherwise roll it over? I'd
>> like to know what our options are. We've
>> not done a good job of taking advantage of
>> the OSGeo funds available, even if they
>> are somewhat limited.
>>
>> Seth, what level of support do you think you'd
>> need?
>>
>>
>> --Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 5:48 PM Even Rouault
>> via MapServer-dev
>> <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>> <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Seth,
>>
>>
>> thanks for putting that together. The 2
>> topics (workshop and CITE tests)
>>
>> look like excellent topics to be budgeted.
>>
>>
>> Even
>>
>>
>> Le 07/12/2023 à 11:02, Seth G via
>> MapServer-dev a écrit :
>>
>> > Hi all,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I've created a draft page for the budget
>> at
>> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I've also created two wiki pages for two
>> items I'd like to work on next year, and
>> to request some funds to help set aside
>> time to work on them. Both were discussed
>> with other members of the PSC at the
>> recent OSGeo Community Sprint:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > A new MapServer Workshop, see details at
>> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024 <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024>>
>>
>> > This would target FOSS4G Europe next
>> year. The deadline for submission is
>> January 14th 2024 so it would be good to
>> sort out a budget as soon as possible to
>> be able to submit. Workshops are 4 hours
>> in length.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Automating and refreshing the MapServer
>> OGC CITE tests - see
>> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Let me know your thoughts on the above,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Seth
>>
>> > --
>>
>> > web:https://geographika.net <https://geographika.net>
>> <https://geographika.net> <https://geographika.net>> &
>> https://mapserverstudio.net <https://mapserverstudio.net>
>> <https://mapserverstudio.net> <https://mapserverstudio.net>>
>>
>> > twitter: @geographika
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Thu, Nov 2, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Seth G
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> Hi all,
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> A wiki page sounds a good start.
>> Increased test coverage and OGC Maps
>>
>> >> support would be two items I'd like to
>> propose.
>>
>> >> We could also maybe use a GitHub
>> Discussions poll to allow users to
>>
>> >> vote on some open issues to look at fixing?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I think any unused funds for the year
>> remain with OSGeo and can't be
>>
>> >> used for future years. Is it an option
>> to get a 2023 budget approved to
>>
>> >> avoid losing these funds for this year?
>>
>> >> There is the OSGeo Codesprint in Vienna
>> next week, and 5 of the PSC
>>
>> >> members will be there so we could
>> arrange a PSC meeting and sign things
>>
>> >> off quite quickly.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Seth
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> --
>>
>> >> web:https://geographika.net <https://geographika.net>
>> <https://geographika.net> <https://geographika.net>> &
>> https://mapserverstudio.net <https://mapserverstudio.net>
>> <https://mapserverstudio.net> <https://mapserverstudio.net>>
>>
>> >> twitter: @geographika
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023, at 10:44 PM, Lime,
>> Steve D (MNIT) via MapServer-dev wrote:
>>
>> >>> This is a good idea and something that
>> we haven't done in some time.
>>
>> >>> There was a 2020 budget outline
>>
>> >>>
>> (https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget> <https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget>>) that
>>
>> >>> was put together as an ask from the
>> board. If I recall correctly, they
>>
>> >>> basically only allocated the normal
>> per project amount to the project.
>>
>> >>> That's funding we've not taken
>> explicit advantage of most years
>>
>> >>> although I don't know what happens to
>> those $'s if they go unclaimed.
>>
>> >>> There is also a donation balance that
>> could/should be tapped to fund
>>
>> >>> activities.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> --Steve
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> >>> From: MapServer-dev
>> <mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
>> <mailto:mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>> On Behalf
>>
>> >>> Of Jeff McKenna via MapServer-dev
>>
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 1:00 PM
>>
>> >>> To: 'MapServer Dev Mailing List'
>> <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>> <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>>>
>>
>> >>> Subject: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget
>> planning
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Hi MapServer community (devs, users,
>> packagers, promoters, all),
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I see other projects beginning early
>> discussions on planning for 2024
>>
>> >>> budget spending. I would like to
>> start a wiki page for the 2024 budget
>>
>> >>> for MapServer. I am planning on
>> including those items
>>
>> >>>
>> never-funded-yet-heavily-relied-upon-by-users such as releases,
>>
>> >>> packaging, testing/CI infrastructure
>> maintenance, and documentation, as
>>
>> >>> well as source code contributions (in
>> other words, including the full
>>
>> >>> dev community of MapServer in the budget).
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> I think 2024 is a good time to create
>> a realistic budget for MapServer,
>>
>> >>> and then share that publicly with the
>> FOSS4G community. I think we'd
>>
>> >>> be happily surprised that
>> organizations are willing to support the
>>
>> >>> sustainability of MapServer. 
>> Worst-case scenario is that we have a
>>
>> >>> publicly available realistic view of
>> the cost of keeping MapServer
>>
>> >>> reliable, secure, and fast, that we
>> can expand upon in future years.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Happy to read other thoughts here,
>> from everyone passionate about MapServer.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> thanks!
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> -jeff
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> --
>>
>> >>> Jeff McKenna
>>
>> >>> GatewayGeo: Developers of MS4W, &
>> offering MapServer Consulting/Dev
>>
>> >>> co-founder of FOSS4G
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
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