what is an enterprise class app? (was MapServer and Foundation naming)

[Gary Lang]

MSE is not done yet. However ADSK ships code that works. We have 10 QA people that will make sure MSE will. We can't ship our software until it does.

--- Original Message ---
From: "Paul Spencer (External)" <pspencer at dmsolutions.ca>
Sent: Wed 11/30/2005 6:10 pm
To: "Gary Lang" <gary.lang at autodesk.com>
Cc: "MAPSERVER-USERS at LISTS.UMN.EDU" <MAPSERVER-USERS at LISTS.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: [UMN_MAPSERVER-USERS] what is an enterprise class app? (was MapServer and Foundation naming)

"Take a look!" but not in Safari :( (hopefully soon though?)

I agree that it could be done with MapServer and I have been actively  
involved in the design and development of tools that fit some of the  
pieces here, plus applications that really do meet these criteria.

The point is one of choice I think.

MapServer does what it does extremely well, and it doesn't do  
enterprise apps (as defined here) unless you add a bunch of stuff to  
it.  If you are very knowledgeable with MapServer, it would still  
take some serious effort to build an enterprise app, but you would  
know exactly how it was built and why it worked.

MSE does what it does (but it has yet to prove that it does it well I  
think), and you have this capability more or less out of the box but  
at the cost of not getting to hand pick all the pieces and perhaps  
having more of a black box solution ... but then any sufficiently  
complex code written around MapServer would probably be mostly a  
black box too (do I hear anyone say Chameleon?)

Personally I will pick and choose the best solution for a given  
problem.  I am more than willing to give MSE a chance to prove itself  
capable and to define the space that it is most capable in, but I  
will never give up MapServer as a tried and true way of getting maps  
to the web as quickly as possible.

(Sorry Gary, I just don't believe that MSE will be faster than  
MapServer in some cases ;))

Cheers

Paul

On 30-Nov-05, at 5:55 PM, Gary Lang wrote:

> " I personally would much rather use html/ajax for gui (I am not sure
> how Autodesk's MapGuide does GUI... if it does it in any way that is
> not web-compliant then I have little interest in it)."'
>
> We have AJAX out of the box. No add-ons required. An app written  
> for Tux
> will work the same way using AJAX or the ActiveX control. If someone
> writes an SVG driver, that would work too.
>
> Take a look!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: UMN MapServer Users List [mailto:MAPSERVER- 
> USERS at LISTS.UMN.EDU] On
> Behalf Of P Kishor
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:40 PM
> To: MAPSERVER-USERS at LISTS.UMN.EDU
> Subject: [UMN_MAPSERVER-USERS] what is an enterprise class app? (was
> MapServer and Foundation naming)
>
> Jason Birch wrote:
>> P Kishor Wrote:
>>> I still don't understand why no one is talking about MapServer +
>> PostGIS.
>>> That is about as enterprise as one's gonna get.
>>
>> Is that a red herring?  I don't like seafood, but I guess I'll  
>> bite :)
>
> no, it was a legit question, and I am thankful you have answered,
> because I do want this discussed. Because it can end up becoming a
> smoke-screen for bigger issues.
>
>>
>> That combination does not address a number of issues that are  
>> commonly
>
>> addressed by commercial solutions that are touted as "enterprise".
>> Authentication and authorization (feature or layer level, not
>> application level), geoprocessing, data update, SOA, and GUI
>> capabilities are a few that come to mind and rank am...
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