[Journal] Next steps

Wed Sep 30 23:39:34 EDT 2009

I also talked with the JOSIS editors recently (you probably have seen that
we have submitted a paper there for open review to sort of test out the
system.)  Bottom line is that this is a brand new journal effort which is
why there is currently no meat ("Where's the beef?" one might ask. Though
one might need to be in one's 30's or older to get the reference...)
However, even though they are meatless at the moment, there does seem to be
a clear driving motivation and funded people to make this journal fly as an
fully online fully open geospatial journal. Including a board of associate
editors and folks.  So again, many of the goals are aligned with OSGeo
Journal, with the advantage that they'll have a larger target audience since
they're not limited to OSS... which is good and bad.

Truthfully I still think it's a bit of a 180-degree turn option to ditch the
"journal" part of OSGeo Journal and just go back to a newsletter.. but
having said that I actually really like Tyler's last comment about going for
more of a magazine style publication. I bet we could even get paid
subscribers to a printed magazine. I for one would be more likely to pay for
a subscription to a glossy magazine - I'd love one I could put on my tables
in the lounge at the university next to the piles of ArcNews.

So mixed feelings on this from my side. I guess I'd give a wholehearted +1
for the merging of efforts approach if it truly were a merger in which OSGeo
could maintain a significant influence on the direction of the resulting
publication. I'm suddenly reminded of MapBuilder and OpenLayers, and the
value in merging projects. Which reminds me, if there are any SharpMap
developers lurking, please contact me, we need to talk....

- Dan

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) <
tmitchell at osgeo.org> wrote:

> Hi all, good discussion, thanks.
>
> It seems that some of you are more familiar with the JOSIS work - how do
> you
> know about it?  I don't see much on their site to help me understand how
> much they have published or how active they are.  So I'm ambivalent about
> it
> at present.  I loko at their current and archive pages and only see a
> couple
> articles in total.  Where is the meat?
>
> Most of the encouraging increased interest shown in an OSGeo Journal has
> been around the scientific and peer review side - so I'm starting to get
> mixed messages.  We were agreeing to not make it simply a newsletter for
> internal OSGeo stuff but to raise the bar and focus as much as possible on
> articles that, it seems to me, would be moved to JOSIS.  Or are some
> proposing we do something collaborative rather than exclusive?
>
> Sorry, I'm just not clear on how past discussions fit into the JOSIS ideas.
> Please help me understand your confidence in their approach.  I'm all for
> sharing our content with other journals where fit. I'm also very interested
> in trying out a newer magazine style - but I digress...
>
> Tyler
>
> "Suchith Anand" <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> > I can contact JOSIS team to explore the possibility of having special
> issues on
> > Open Source GIS from selection of scientific articles of OSGeo
> conferences
> and
> > other events. The editors (2-3) for each special issue will be experts
> from
> > OSGeo and will be different for each special issue (so there will be
> > distribution of workload).
> >
> > Tyler, please let know your thoughts.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Suchith
> >
> > Dr Suchith Anand
> > Centre for Geospatial Science
> > Sir Clive Granger Building
> > University of Nottingham
> > Tel: (0)115 846 8408
> > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/cgs/cgs_suchith_anand.html
> >
> <
> https://owa.nottingham.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/cgs/cgs_suchith_anand.html
> >
> >
> > http://www.opensourcegis.org.uk/
> >
> <
> https://owa.nottingham.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.opensourcegis.org.uk/
> >
> >
> > http://ica-opensource.scg.ulaval.ca/
> >
> <
> https://owa.nottingham.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://ica-opensource.scg.ulaval.ca/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: newsletter-bounces at lists.osgeo.org on behalf of Sunburned Surveyor
> > Sent: Wed 30/09/2009 15:33
> > To: newsletter at lists.osgeo.org
> > Subject: Re: [Journal] Next steps
> >
> >
> >
> > Dan wrote: "I see this as a bit of an extreme option, but something
> > that might be worth considering..."
> >
> > I don't think it is an extreme option at all, but sounds quite
> > reasonable. We can steer our scientific articles to JOSIS, which will
> > allow us to streamline (and possibly speed up) the production of the
> > OSGeo Journal.
> >
> > This option wouldn't mean we couldn't have good peer review as part of
> > our publication process in the Journal, but we could run it more like
> > a traditional newsletter or magazine.
> >
> > Do we already have a good contact with the JOSIS team that could be
> > used to explore this idea further?
> >
> > Landon
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Suchith Anand
> > <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> I think this is good idea . In fact, i am exploring the possibility of a
> >> special issue of JOSIS based on selected full papers for next year's
> OSGIS
> >> 2010 conference. I think OSGeo should explore possibility of having
> >> dedicated special issues in key Geospatial journals of selection of full
> >> papers submitted to FOSS4G conferences and JOSIS is a good starting
> point.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Suchith
> >>
> >> Dr Suchith Anand
> >> Centre for Geospatial Science
> >> Sir Clive Granger Building
> >> University of Nottingham
> >> Tel: (0)115 846 8408
> >> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/cgs/cgs_suchith_anand.html
> >> http://www.opensourcegis.org.uk/
> >> http://ica-opensource.scg.ulaval.ca/
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: newsletter-bounces at lists.osgeo.org on behalf of Rafal Wawer
> >> Sent: Wed 30/09/2009 09:31
> >> To: Daniel P. Ames
> >> Cc: newsletter at lists.osgeo.org
> >> Subject: RE: [Journal] Next steps
> >>
> >> Interesting idea Dan,
> >> It would consolidate efford and as the JOSIS is already a while on the
> stage
> >> it could attract more authors.. I guess. On the other hand the
> publications
> >> on FOSS4G may dissolve in overall spatial pot, next to papers on
> >> proprietary solutions (-;
> >> The future journal of OSGeo, we were discussing about, is to be seen as
> >> addressing all the aspects of FOSS4G: news, events, scientific papers,
> >> applications, education, etc. Personally - it is what I would like to
> have
> >> as a reader... but my background is also scientific. For ICT specialists
> as
> >> well as for GI experts and users the scientific content may not be that
> >> important.
> >> Certainly Dan's idea is worth considering!
> >>
> >> What I like in the setup of JOSIS is the mechanizm fo discussions on
> >> submitted papers. Nice idea to have it along with the review and not as
> >> usuall - after publishing.
> >>
> >> Best regards:
> >> RAf
> >>
> >>
> >> Dr. Rafal Wawer
> >> K.U.Leuven
> >> R&D Division SADL (Spatial Application Division)
> >> Celestijnenlaan 200e bus 2224
> >> BE-3001 Leuven-Heverlee
> >> Belgium
> >> tel. 0032 16 329731
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: newsletter-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
> >> [mailto:newsletter-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Daniel P. Ames
> >> Sent: 30 September 2009 08:14
> >> To: Barry Rowlingson
> >> Cc: Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo); newsletter at lists.osgeo.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Journal] Next steps
> >>
> >> Barry, I'm glad you mentioned JOSIS. I was about to comment on this
> myself,
> >> and you beat me to it! These folks have some ideals that are fairly well
> >> aligned with OSGeo ideals and it would be nice to support them. I
> suppose
> >> there are a couple of ways to do that. One is to contact them about some
> >> kind of a merger whereby JOSIS accepts some OSGeo people as board
> members
> >> and in return OSGeo adopts JOSIS as it's officially sanctioned outlet
> for
> >> research publication. I see this as a bit of an extreme option, but
> >> something that might be worth considering... - Dan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Barry Rowlingson
> >> <b.rowlingson at lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Has everyone else seen JOSIS:
> >>>
> >>> http://josis.org/index.php/josis/index
> >>>
> >>> it seems to be run on volunteer effort, and needs 3 editors-in-chief
> >>> and a whole load of luminaries on the editorial board. Plus
> >>> who-knows-how-many reviewers (they just got one more).
> >>>
> >>> They're also using OJS for journal management, and seem to have open
> >>> comments on pre-published articles.
> >>>
> >>>  They don't seem to say how often they publish an issue though.
> >>> Perhaps these days the concept of an 'issue' is becoming meaningless,
> >>> and articles should just be published when the editor gets the reviews
> >>> and gives the okay? Click a button and there it is in everyone's RSS
> >>> feed.
> >>>
> >>> Barry
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> >>
> >>
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