[OpenLayers-Users] Intuitive and good looking icons

[bartvde at osgis.nl]

I second this, Chris's answers are 100% useful, and IMHO he cannot be
missed on this list.

Best regards,
Bart

> Hi Christopher,
>
> to use Mikas word
> "Don't you dare. 95 % of your answers is pure help and the rest.. yep I
> would say that the rest is enjoyable reading."
>
> Your responses are sometimes very to a point, but I would miss this ones.
> And naturally would miss the responses, that enhance my knowledge of
> OpenLayers.
>
> I like the OpenLayers API and i'm again and again impressed, what is
> possible. I have also own ideas how to use the API (could be seen in
> online
> applications). I'm able to modify OpenLayers functions and overwrite the
> originals for my purposes.
>
> But I don't understand enough of object orientated javascript (especially
> the OpenLayers API), to contribute ideas, examples, documentations or
> patches to the list. So what I do, is following the discussion here and
> sometimes on the developer list, to learn more about OpenLayers. And if
> possible, response to questions I mean I have an answer.
>
> Arnd Wippermann
>
>   _____
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> Von: users-bounces at openlayers.org [mailto:users-bounces at openlayers.org] Im
> Auftrag von Mika Lehtonen
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Februar 2009 22:10
> An: Christopher Schmidt
> Cc: users at openlayers.org
> Betreff: Re: [OpenLayers-Users] Intuitive and good looking icons
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> Christopher Schmidt kirjoitti:
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> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:17:56PM +0200, Mika Lehtonen wrote:
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> Christopher Schmidt kirjoitti:
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> attitude is everything when communicating with
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>     a mailing list
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> Shouldn't that also concern developers?
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> Absolutely; and developers like me who are rude end up paying for it.
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> I am asking this because I've been noticing that in OL-users list there
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> are time to time so hostile responses to the users ideas that for
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> example I haven't ever experienced such in the Geoserver users list.
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> Is this thread an example? Do you have other examples? (Are they all me?
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> In which case, that's fair, and I should probably just get off the users
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> list.)
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> I don't like digging old dirt. This was just a feeling based thought.
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> I think that all the users throwing ideas in the list are just trying
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> to make things better, not to question developers competence or
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> ability to do their work.
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> I think that many users of OpenLayers consider it to be the
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> responsibility of someone else to fix their problems. I think that's a
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> silly expectation, and I don't feel that it's neccesary to entertain all
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> ideas that come -- since for every idea that comes with code behind it,
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> 10 more come in as "Wouldn't it be nice if?"
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> There are many things that would be nice, but given that a huge majority
>
> of OpenLayers development is done by a very small core of developers,
>
> with limited contribution from people who wish that things would somehow
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> magically get better, the social environment degrades. This thread is an
>
> example of that, in my opinion.
>
> http://openlayers.org/pipermail/users/2009-February/010300.html is
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> another case where I blew up.
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> In fact, reviewing the OL-users list, I see that I respond an order of
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> magnitude more times than all other trunk OL developers combined. If
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> there is a feeling that developers are being rude to users, then that
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> can only be coming from my behavior.  I think that's a sign that I
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> shouldn't be on the users mailing list anymore. Thank you for pointing
>
> that out to me; from here foreward, I will shy away from responding the
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> users list.
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> Don't you dare. 95 % of your answers is pure help and the rest.. yep I
> would
> say that the rest is enjoyable reading.
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> Yeah, it easily happens that you come up with a superb idea and share
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> it in the list without thinking how to put it in there or
>
> reconsidering how superb it really is. But one shouldn't take it as an
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> insult or yelling. In my opinion, everyone should have one vote,
>
> regardless of whether you are a developer or an user, to vote for
>
> things and features you like. After all, it isn't just developers who
>
> are making open source (software) possible.
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> It is my belief that everyone who is contributing code should
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> absolutely get one vote.
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> I disagree. You know I like metaphoras. I think that open source software
> development is like motor racing. Developers are engineers who build the
> chassis and suspension and motor and tune them up as good as they can.
> Users
> are those arragant drivers who come and test the car and after that tell
> what they think it could be done better. Some of them just say: this is
> too
> slow, others may have an idea of getting more revs out of the engine. But
> most of them have no idea how to implement these improvements. They come
> and
> go. But engineers stay all night and build  new engines. Some times they
> get
> bitter of hearing nothing but complaining. But deep in their hearts they
> enjoy the excitement and the joy of success of what they are doing. Either
> of these groups wouldn't exists without another. No real progress is made
> without feed back. Criticism is a good concept, if you take it that way.
> Sarcasm sucks.
>
> - mika -
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> Regards,
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