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blammo
bbasques at sharedgeo.org
Fri Oct 24 08:43:37 PDT 2014
All,
How would/should this situation work:
*
GeoMoose has it's own WMS/WFS client tool set for working with
OGC services directly. This is in a preconfigured
(get[Map/Legend/Features], etc) mode only, no get
getCapabilities, evaluation tools.
*
It's also built on top of OpenLayers, which does about the same
thing.
*
It can be configured to use MapServer as a WMS client and Server.
So, GeoMOOSE is as OGC compliant as OpenLayers and MapServer or ??
I guess my question is do we as GeoMOOSE developers even worry about it
at all, or just report on what I just typed here and let OSGeo take it
from there? We tend to just use the things that work, OGC standards
have worked for a long time in GeoMOOSE, in the manner described, as I'm
sure they have in other OSGeo projects.
bobb
On 10/24/14 10:31 AM, Luis Bermudez wrote:
> Dear Cameron,
>
> Sorry this took a little bit long to respond.
>
> 1) OSGeo claims that it "provides a legal and administrative framework
> to better support the ongoing development and promotion of open source
> geospatial data and technologies." This I think includes the legal
> framework to sign the License Mark Agreement with OGC when requesting
> OGC certification.
> http://www.osgeo.org/content/faq/foundation_faq.html
>
> 2) OSGeo, can be legally responsible, if the project accepts, for
> managing the compliance submission at OGC.
>
> 3) Any Open Source Geospatial project can "use" OSGeo as a legal
> entity to get OGC certified. Is up to OSGeo to decide if this applies
> to projects in incubation.
>
> 4) The certification logo will have the OSGeo name. Projects that
> advertise their OGC compliance should use this logo. For example:
> https://portal.opengeospatial.org/public_ogc/compliance/srv_ogc_compliance_badge.php?id=102&pid=1083
>
> More line.
>
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Cameron Shorter
> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hi Luis,
>> The nature of Open Source licenses is that the code can be owned by
>> multiple people. This is the case for many OSGeo projects. I'm pretty
>> sure PostGIS falls under that category, and I note that Boundless
>> have registered PostGIS as implementing OGC standards.
>>
>> So by that precedence, OSGeo would be able to list any of the Open
>> Source Geospatial projects associated with OSGeo as implementing OGC
>> standards, be they incubated, in incubation, or even just self
>> registering in OSGeo Labs.
>> Is that correct?
>
> Yes.
>
>>
>> Extending on that logic, I'd suggest that OSGeo should be able to pay
>> to have an Open Source GIS project "certified OGC compliant", even
>> though OSGeo doesn't own the code. For example, OSGeo could pay to
>> have PostGIS certified, even though OSGeo doesn't legally own the
>> code. (PostGIS is an OSGeo graduated project).
>> Is that correct?
>
> Yes.
>>
>> Now moving onto OSGeo projects. OSGeo projects are already encouraged
>> to make use of OGC standards.
>> I'd suggest that our graduation process should encourage projects to
>> run and pass CITE certification tests for relevant standards (update
>> to graduation process required).
>> Part of project build and release processes should involve verifying
>> CITE tests work. (Update to project processes required)
>> The passing of CITE certification should be advertised in OSGeo
>> marketing, such as the OSGeo-Live documentation (update to OSGeo-Live
>> documentation template required).
>> For OSGeo Graduated projects, I'd suggest that OSGeo should consider
>> offering to pay for official CITE testing. (An incentive for projects
>> to compete graduation). We would need to consider the business case
>> behind this before proceeding.
>
> Great Ideas !
>
> - Luis
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.
> Director Compliance Program
> Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
> The OGC: Making Location Count
>
> Skype: bermudez_luis
> Twitter: @berdez
> Tel: +1 301 760 7323
> http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez
>
>
>>
>> On 15/10/2014 1:14 pm, Luis Bermudez wrote:
>>> Hi Cameron, et. al.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 14, 2014, at 5:57 PM, Cameron Shorter
>>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeff, Jody,
>>>> I agree that there is value in OSGeo projects being listed in the
>>>> OGC portal, and that we should work out what OGC and OSGeo consider
>>>> as a requirement for listing a project.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at:
>>>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration
>>>> It seems that any application can be registered, free of charge?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> To get to the next level of "certified" or "reference
>>>> implementation" might cost more.
>>>
>>> There is no cost if you set up a server (endpoint) for others to
>>> exercise for free.
>>>
>>>> Luis, are you able to explain this further, or point at a URL which
>>>> explains costs?
>>>
>>> If you want to pay the fees
>>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/compliance#trademark
>>> in the case of OSGeo it will be $80 per year per product per standard
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Jeff that we at OSGeo should work out a process for
>>>> registering compliant products with the OGC. I suggest that this
>>>> should become part of the OSGeo Incubation process, which in turn
>>>> should be referenced from the OSGeo-Live processes.
>>>
>>> And you need to update the database, for example every time a new
>>> project implements a new standard.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeff,
>>>> I notice that MapCache (which I understand is associated with
>>>> MapServer) has been registered separately with OGC, but MapCache is
>>>> not referenced as one of our OSGeo projects at: http://osgeo.org
>>>> <http://osgeo.org/> . I suggest that we should do something about that.
>>>>
>>>> We should be working out what criteria projects require before they
>>>> can be listed under an OSGeo banner on OGC compliant products page.
>>>> Only graduated projects? Graduated and Incubating projects? Any
>>>> project listed on OSGeo-Live? Any project which has self registered
>>>> to be part of OSGeo Labs? Any Open Source project with some
>>>> geospatial functionality?
>>>
>>> The issue is that we need an organization to be "legally"
>>> responsible for the project that is claiming compliance. This
>>> organization is the one that we will give the trademark license to
>>> use to OGC Certified logo. The question to ask is: Is OSGeo only
>>> legally responsible for graduated projects?
>>>
>>>> I'd like to hear OGC's thoughts on this. Does the OGC have any
>>>> quality requirements for listing applications?
>>>
>>> Anyone can list an application in the OGC implementation database.
>>> We clean it periodically, for example to spot fake organizations or
>>> products. This rarely happens.
>>>
>>> Please let me know how else can I help.
>>>
>>> - Luis
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>> Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.
>>> Director Compliance Program
>>> Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
>>> The OGC: Making Location Count
>>>
>>> Skype: bermudez_luis
>>> Twitter: @berdez
>>> Tel: +1 301 760 7323
>>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15/10/2014 7:58 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>> On 2014-10-14 4:48 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for picking up the ball on this. Actually I had added
>>>>>> this topic
>>>>>> to this Thursday's Board meeting agenda, a few weeks ago, but
>>>>>> this new
>>>>>> Projects list is indeed the best place to discuss this. Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At FOSS4G Portland we discussed many issues with the OGC's Luis
>>>>>> Bermudez. Here is an attempt of a summary, so hopefully we can
>>>>>> all work
>>>>>> together to get things set up here now:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - a new 'Open Source Geospatial Foundation' organization/account was
>>>>>> created (visible at http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - therefore we now have a generic 'osgeo' account with password. The
>>>>>> contact name is listed as myself and the contact email is
>>>>>> info(at)osgeo.org <http://osgeo.org/>. My plan is/was to motion
>>>>>> to the Board this Thursday
>>>>>> to pass the account details to the OSGeo Secretary, so he/she can
>>>>>> help
>>>>>> manage/distribute these connection details to OSGeo Project officers
>>>>>> whenever necessary. (we can login at
>>>>>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products/registration)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - goal is to have all OSGeo 'products' (our projects) listed
>>>>>> under the
>>>>>> one OSGeo organization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - the OGC was very clear that only OSGeo officers (legal
>>>>>> representatives
>>>>>> of the foundation, and therefore legal authority over the
>>>>>> 'product'/project) can submit implementations etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - we therefore made a push with the OSGeo Secretary recently to make
>>>>>> sure our OSGeo Officers records are accurate (i.e. who exactly is an
>>>>>> officer of OSGeo:
>>>>>> http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/board_and_officers.html)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - MapServer and GDAL 'products'/projects were transferred from Daniel
>>>>>> Morissette's account into OSGeo's organization account, with the
>>>>>> help of
>>>>>> Luis and Daniel at FOSS4G Portland.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - to answer your questions, this is the process we must all
>>>>>> figure out
>>>>>> what is best and makes the most sense, but personally I believe
>>>>>> to get
>>>>>> other projects like GeoServer added to the list, the project's
>>>>>> officer
>>>>>> should contact the OSGeo Secretary (info@) initially, and then the
>>>>>> secretary will provide account access for submissions etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course I forgot to mention that in the case of GeoServer, the
>>>>> records are currently being maintained by Boundless, and a
>>>>> transfer of sorts would have to occur.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway I'm interested to hear yours and all project officer's
>>>>> opinions. I can then bring this to the OSGeo Board on Thursday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some unresolved issues:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - there are costs involved in submissions, who covers these costs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - how do we handle projects/products that are in Incubation? (such as
>>>>>> Rasdaman) Are Incubation projects, and their lead contact,
>>>>>> considered
>>>>>> as legal authority /officer of the OSGeo foundation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's all work through this together :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2014-10-14 3:21 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>>>>> OSGeo is now listed as an organisation by the OGC (see
>>>>>>> http://www.opengeospatial.org/resource/products).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Questions:
>>>>>>> - Anyone know how we get GeoServer added to that list?
>>>>>>> - Are we in position to run CITE tests and get implementations
>>>>>>> certified?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> Cameron Shorter,
>>>> Software and Data Solutions Manager
>>>> LISAsoft
>>>> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
>>>> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
>>>>
>>>> P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com <http://www.lisasoft.com/>,
>>>> F +61 2 9009 5099
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Cameron Shorter,
>> Software and Data Solutions Manager
>> LISAsoft
>> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
>> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
>>
>> P +61 2 9009 5000, Wwww.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099
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