[Qgis-community-team] joomla-version

Stephan Reber stephan.reber at sr-gis.de
Tue Jun 3 16:07:02 EDT 2008 

Hi Otto,

allright, let us use joomla 1.0. I wasn't sure about the used PHP
version. So this is a good point for the decision to use 1.0. I think,
the support for this version is going on for a longer time, since there
are many websites using the 1.0 version and the  joomla development
seems not very fast.

So, I think, we can install joomla. The used php and mysql are a good
choice for a stable website with joomla 1.0. Do we have ftp-access to
the server? And what else is to do for the installation, especially
because the support for our server is pretty limited and small.

Regards
Stephan

PS: And Thomas, thanks for the offered support.



Otto Dassau schrieb:
> Hi Thomas, 
>
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:26:52 +0200
> Thomas Becker <thomasgeo at gmx.de> wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi Otto and Stephan,
>>
>> I am quite new to the community and have no background on the decisions 
>> made to use Joomla as the CMS for the web page. Personally I started to 
>> use Joomla 1.0 some what two years ago and everything went fine until 
>> the page got hacked due to a lack of security in a gallery module.
>>
>> As far as I know you will highly run into problems if you want to have a 
>> flashy page. But thats something I doubt! Joomla 1.0 and 1.5 as well 
>> coming with many possibilities to present the content in a nice way.
>>
>> According to the security I was reading a lot in the community pages and 
>> it always comes down to a well established htaccess file. Everything 
>> related to third party modules is your risk.
>>
>> Although I really like Joomla, have you ever been thinking about using 
>> Typo3? I know it takes more resources at the surfer side but this is 
>> secure. I don't know how they managed to do this but they have a check 
>> system running and separate trusted and non-trusted extensions.
>>     
>
> Typo3 is a very powerful as far as I know, but our web team is experienced in
> using joomla so it doesn't make sense to switch to another CMS, especially
> because we also made good experiences with joomla so there is no need to
> for change AFAICS.
>
>   
>> When I was talking with the Joomla community about a system like this, 
>> they have becoming mad. It takes to much effort to establish a system 
>> like this and who should check all the code...
>>
>> On the other hand somehow it must work, when you see who is using Joomla:
>>
>> * Belgian Locale Police
>> * United Nations Regional Information Centre
>>
>> and so on.
>>
>> Question is also multi language support of the web page. Are you 
>> intended to do so?
>>     
>
> This is a good question, I was also thinking about that and would vote for it,
> because the new web presence is going to present only clear and limited
> information that won't change every week. Therefore it would be great to have at
> least the oportunity to translate these texts in different languages... what do
> others think about that?
>  
>   
>> I have been talking with the Joomla guys on the Linux Tag in Berlin some 
>> days ago and they have been pointing me on a new component called Nooku 
>> which is highly integrated into the Joomla 1.5 framework. Nevertheless 
>> multilanguage support is also part of Typo3
>>     
>
> I have made good experiences with joomfish, it works on 1.0 without any
> problems. nooku seems to be the alternative for 1.5 - right?
>  
>   
>> However, if the decision is made for Joomla I would like to offer you 
>> some of my time to support you. I am not so familiar in building 
>> templates or adjust them either in Joomla or Typo, but I am working 
>> already quite some time as an author on both systems.
>>     
>
> great Thomas, thanks a lot for your offer and I am sure we will find some tasks
> for you :-). BTW - maybe you haven't read the recent mails about the qgis
> documentation. We would also need some volunteers to update the manual sections
> according to some just define style conventions by Tara. And because I know you
> work with latex this might be interesting for you as well?
>
> please have a look at the archive:
> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-community-team/2008-June/000105.html
>
> best regards, 
>  Otto
>
>   
>> Cheers, Thomas
>>
>> Otto Dassau schrieb:
>>     
>>> Hi (Stephan), 
>>>
>>> I just found that we (probably) get in trouble using joomla 1.5, because the
>>> "new" server only provides PHP 5.0.4 and this causes various problems as far
>>> as I found on several web pages. 
>>>
>>> e.g.: The joomla 1.5 installation guide says: "Do not use PHP 4.3.9, PHP
>>> 4.4.2 or PHP 5.0.4" -> http://help.joomla.org/content/view/1938/310/ 
>>>
>>> For joomla 1.0 everything seems to be fine. As far as I found out the server
>>>       
> is
>   
>>> a fedora core 4, php 5.0.4, mysql 4.1.20. This is like joomla 1.0 not new
>>>       
> but
>   
>>> stable, so it might fit very well? ;-).
>>>
>>> So if you don't mind too much, I would propose to use latest 1.0 version for
>>>       
> the
>   
>>> web pages, because this would be secure, cause less work and probably
>>>       
> trouble,
>   
>>> especially because there are other projects (GRASS,GDAL,...) using the
>>> ressources, too.
>>>
>>> If you agree (especially Stephan), I would be happy and can start to prepair
>>> everything :). Otherwise I can of course contact the SAC and try to find
>>>       
> another
>   
>>> solution. But they already told me, that thei support for our server is
>>>       
> pretty
>   
>>> limited and small from their side.
>>>
>>> kind regards,
>>>  Otto
>>>
>>> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:57:08 +0200
>>> Stephan Reber <stephan.reber at sr-gis.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have searched for information about the two joomla versions. The main
>>>> security problems of joomla in general are extensions and wrong
>>>> settings. This is indepedant from the used version. Here is a overview
>>>> of the points about security and the support I found.
>>>>
>>>> Joomla1.0:
>>>>
>>>>     * long time experience with security problems
>>>>     * stable
>>>>     * many extensions with experience about their security
>>>>     * only security patches for a certain time (depends on how long 1.0
>>>>       is widely used, there isn't a deadline yet)
>>>>     * there is no update to newer versions of PHP and MySQL in the future
>>>>
>>>> Jooma1.5
>>>>
>>>>     * new security architecture (short time experience)
>>>>     * stable
>>>>     * fewer extensions (unsecure?)
>>>>     * support for a longer time
>>>>     * PHP5 works good, PHP4 may cause some problems (performance,
>>>>         
> stability)
>   
>>>>     * there will be support of newer versions of PHP and MySQL
>>>>     * with the update to 1.6 (in the last quarter of 2008) there will be
>>>>       a access control list and only support of PHP5.2+.
>>>>
>>>> I hope, this will help us with the decision. I tried to be neutral,
>>>> though I argumented for the newer version in my last emails. But it is
>>>> not so important for me which version we use, as long as the website
>>>> works fine.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Stephan
>>>>
>>>>
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