[Qgis-community-team] joomla-version

Tue Jun 3 16:42:58 EDT 2008

Hi All

Another thing I wanted to mention is that if you are interested in
building your own template for joomla, I am attaching a detailed
tutorial for building templates I downloaded from the joomla dev
network some years ago - perhaps it may be of some use.

Regards

Tim

2008/6/3 Stephan Reber <stephan.reber at sr-gis.de>:
> Hi Otto,
>
> allright, let us use joomla 1.0. I wasn't sure about the used PHP
> version. So this is a good point for the decision to use 1.0. I think,
> the support for this version is going on for a longer time, since there
> are many websites using the 1.0 version and the  joomla development
> seems not very fast.
>
> So, I think, we can install joomla. The used php and mysql are a good
> choice for a stable website with joomla 1.0. Do we have ftp-access to
> the server? And what else is to do for the installation, especially
> because the support for our server is pretty limited and small.
>
> Regards
> Stephan
>
> PS: And Thomas, thanks for the offered support.
>
>
>
> Otto Dassau schrieb:
>> Hi Thomas,
>>
>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:26:52 +0200
>> Thomas Becker <thomasgeo at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Otto and Stephan,
>>>
>>> I am quite new to the community and have no background on the decisions
>>> made to use Joomla as the CMS for the web page. Personally I started to
>>> use Joomla 1.0 some what two years ago and everything went fine until
>>> the page got hacked due to a lack of security in a gallery module.
>>>
>>> As far as I know you will highly run into problems if you want to have a
>>> flashy page. But thats something I doubt! Joomla 1.0 and 1.5 as well
>>> coming with many possibilities to present the content in a nice way.
>>>
>>> According to the security I was reading a lot in the community pages and
>>> it always comes down to a well established htaccess file. Everything
>>> related to third party modules is your risk.
>>>
>>> Although I really like Joomla, have you ever been thinking about using
>>> Typo3? I know it takes more resources at the surfer side but this is
>>> secure. I don't know how they managed to do this but they have a check
>>> system running and separate trusted and non-trusted extensions.
>>>
>>
>> Typo3 is a very powerful as far as I know, but our web team is experienced in
>> using joomla so it doesn't make sense to switch to another CMS, especially
>> because we also made good experiences with joomla so there is no need to
>> for change AFAICS.
>>
>>
>>> When I was talking with the Joomla community about a system like this,
>>> they have becoming mad. It takes to much effort to establish a system
>>> like this and who should check all the code...
>>>
>>> On the other hand somehow it must work, when you see who is using Joomla:
>>>
>>> * Belgian Locale Police
>>> * United Nations Regional Information Centre
>>>
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>> Question is also multi language support of the web page. Are you
>>> intended to do so?
>>>
>>
>> This is a good question, I was also thinking about that and would vote for it,
>> because the new web presence is going to present only clear and limited
>> information that won't change every week. Therefore it would be great to have at
>> least the oportunity to translate these texts in different languages... what do
>> others think about that?
>>
>>
>>> I have been talking with the Joomla guys on the Linux Tag in Berlin some
>>> days ago and they have been pointing me on a new component called Nooku
>>> which is highly integrated into the Joomla 1.5 framework. Nevertheless
>>> multilanguage support is also part of Typo3
>>>
>>
>> I have made good experiences with joomfish, it works on 1.0 without any
>> problems. nooku seems to be the alternative for 1.5 - right?
>>
>>
>>> However, if the decision is made for Joomla I would like to offer you
>>> some of my time to support you. I am not so familiar in building
>>> templates or adjust them either in Joomla or Typo, but I am working
>>> already quite some time as an author on both systems.
>>>
>>
>> great Thomas, thanks a lot for your offer and I am sure we will find some tasks
>> for you :-). BTW - maybe you haven't read the recent mails about the qgis
>> documentation. We would also need some volunteers to update the manual sections
>> according to some just define style conventions by Tara. And because I know you
>> work with latex this might be interesting for you as well?
>>
>> please have a look at the archive:
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-community-team/2008-June/000105.html
>>
>> best regards,
>>  Otto
>>
>>
>>> Cheers, Thomas
>>>
>>> Otto Dassau schrieb:
>>>
>>>> Hi (Stephan),
>>>>
>>>> I just found that we (probably) get in trouble using joomla 1.5, because the
>>>> "new" server only provides PHP 5.0.4 and this causes various problems as far
>>>> as I found on several web pages.
>>>>
>>>> e.g.: The joomla 1.5 installation guide says: "Do not use PHP 4.3.9, PHP
>>>> 4.4.2 or PHP 5.0.4" -> http://help.joomla.org/content/view/1938/310/
>>>>
>>>> For joomla 1.0 everything seems to be fine. As far as I found out the server
>>>>
>> is
>>
>>>> a fedora core 4, php 5.0.4, mysql 4.1.20. This is like joomla 1.0 not new
>>>>
>> but
>>
>>>> stable, so it might fit very well? ;-).
>>>>
>>>> So if you don't mind too much, I would propose to use latest 1.0 version for
>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>> web pages, because this would be secure, cause less work and probably
>>>>
>> trouble,
>>
>>>> especially because there are other projects (GRASS,GDAL,...) using the
>>>> ressources, too.
>>>>
>>>> If you agree (especially Stephan), I would be happy and can start to prepair
>>>> everything :). Otherwise I can of course contact the SAC and try to find
>>>>
>> another
>>
>>>> solution. But they already told me, that thei support for our server is
>>>>
>> pretty
>>
>>>> limited and small from their side.
>>>>
>>>> kind regards,
>>>>  Otto
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:57:08 +0200
>>>> Stephan Reber <stephan.reber at sr-gis.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have searched for information about the two joomla versions. The main
>>>>> security problems of joomla in general are extensions and wrong
>>>>> settings. This is indepedant from the used version. Here is a overview
>>>>> of the points about security and the support I found.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joomla1.0:
>>>>>
>>>>>     * long time experience with security problems
>>>>>     * stable
>>>>>     * many extensions with experience about their security
>>>>>     * only security patches for a certain time (depends on how long 1.0
>>>>>       is widely used, there isn't a deadline yet)
>>>>>     * there is no update to newer versions of PHP and MySQL in the future
>>>>>
>>>>> Jooma1.5
>>>>>
>>>>>     * new security architecture (short time experience)
>>>>>     * stable
>>>>>     * fewer extensions (unsecure?)
>>>>>     * support for a longer time
>>>>>     * PHP5 works good, PHP4 may cause some problems (performance,
>>>>>
>> stability)
>>
>>>>>     * there will be support of newer versions of PHP and MySQL
>>>>>     * with the update to 1.6 (in the last quarter of 2008) there will be
>>>>>       a access control list and only support of PHP5.2+.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope, this will help us with the decision. I tried to be neutral,
>>>>> though I argumented for the newer version in my last emails. But it is
>>>>> not so important for me which version we use, as long as the website
>>>>> works fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Stephan
>>>>>
>>>>>
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