[Qgis-community-team] Fw: Att Werner Macho - suggested AU/EU language translation.

Wed Apr 10 01:42:38 PDT 2024

Hi Dylan, community-team,

Honestly I have not been aware of this until now.
Maybe it is also just a "translation problem" so that translating users may
also not see a difference between dash and hyphen.
I am not (yet) aware of differences in usage of dash or hyphen
between languages but to be honest - on my (german) keyboard I can only
find "-" and "_" easily.
Maybe it is really a "language" problem?
Writing an issue about that (as Alexei suggested) might rise some more
attention in different languages - maybe we find a "correct" way to solve
that in an issue?

thanks for your message and hint about it

regards
Werner

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 10:31 AM Alexei Schwab via Qgis-community-team <
qgis-community-team at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:

> Fully agree on this proposal for better typography in the legend
> generator.
>
> Dylan, have you added it as an issue on the QGIS github repo?
>
> https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/issues
>
> Regards,
>
> Alexei
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, at 00:33, Dylan Chenoweth via Qgis-community-team
> wrote:
>
> I should also add: before doing this I looked everywhere in the available
> customisation sections within QGIS Desktop and could not find anywhere this
> variable/default could be changed.
> Ideally, it would be great if users could simply have a field legend
> window where we could select or change the preferred default number
> separator - this way everyone can be happy and there'd be no need to dig
> through or hack code.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Dylan Chenoweth
>
> Surface Water Science and Engineering
>
> BSc Env (Hons.) | Flinders University
>
> 📧  dylanchenoweth at outlook.com
>
> 💻 linkedin.com/in/dylansc
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Dylan Chenoweth <dylanchenoweth at outlook.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 April 2024 9:01 AM
> *To:* qgis-community-team at lists.osgeo.org <
> qgis-community-team at lists.osgeo.org>
> *Subject:* Att Werner Macho - suggested AU/EU language translation.
>
> Hello Werner,
>
> I understand there is currently no Australian language conversion for
> QGIS. I've suggested this translation be added to through the Transifex
> QGIS Desktop page.
>
> However, it may not be necessary to have a full translation for AU since
> we mostly adopt UK English anyway. But the reason I came across the
> translation option was born from a very simple requirement which I'll point
> out below...
>
> In the legend/symbol ranges for classified symbols, the default range
> seperator is a hyphen (-) which is incorrect for describing ranges.
> Additionally, negative numbers are also listed using a hyphen (-).
>
> The hyphen is very similar to the minus (−) sign (but not identical - it
> sits lower than a minus or en-dash). Number ranges should be separated by
> an en-dash (–). This helps visually identify the difference between
> numbers being negatives or math equations, vs ranges. The below summarises
> the differences:
>
> ‐    −    –    [hyphen, minus, en-dash]
>
> negative 100 to positive 100
> QGIS current default range: ‐100 ‐ 100
> Range using just math symbol for minus: −100 ‐ 100
> Range using math minus and en-dash: −100 – 100
>
> Range using just en-dash separator -100 – 100
>
> Below is an example of the three differences in QGIS:
>
>
> QGIS current default range:
>
>
>
> Range using just math symbol for minus:
>
>
> *Range using math minus and en-dash:*
>
>
>
> I also acknowledge there is a need to keep legends visually easy to read,
> and adding the minus and en-dash results in longer-spanning number ranges
> than those that have positive values.
> For this reason, I believe it may still be beneficial to retain the hyphen
> for negative numbers to keep the spanning label short a little more in-line
> with the positive values. However, I strongly believe the range seperator
> default should be replaced with an en-dash, to clearly show the difference
> between it being a range and a math operator. This example is shown below
> in full with positive values below for reference
>
>
>
> I am keen to hear you and the team's thoughts - looking forward to your
> reply, thankyou.
>
>
>
>
>
> This is further discussed on the Australian Government's website: Dashes
> | Style Manual
> <https://www.stylemanual.gov.au/grammar-punctuation-and-conventions/punctuation/dashes> -and
> is published as the correct use of the en-dash vs hyphen/minus in many
> other online sources.
>
>
> __________
> ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Use the correct symbols for en dash and minus sign
>
> En dashes are half the width of the font height. Use them as a type of
> punctuation.
>
> Don’t use an en dash instead of a minus sign. Screen readers will read
> dashes as dashes, not as the minus sign.
>
> *In Unicode, the en dash is U+2013.*
>
> To make sure screen readers read the minus sign, use the mathematical
> symbol for minus. In Unicode, this is U+2212.
>
> Don’t confuse the dash or the minus symbol for a *hyphen
> <https://www.stylemanual.gov.au/node/105>*.
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Dylan Chenoweth
>
> Environmental Scientist (water)
>
> BSc Env (Hons.) | Flinders University
>
> 📧  dylanchenoweth at outlook.com
>
> 💻 [linkedin.com/in/dylansc]linkedin.com/in/dylansc
> <http://linkedin.com/in/dylansc%5Dlinkedin.com/in/dylansc>
>
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>
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