[Qgis-psc] Fwd: Certification of Municipia
Paolo Cavallini
cavallini at faunalia.it
Sun Sep 16 23:39:13 PDT 2018
Hi all,
got the reply from qgis-pt.
Anything prevents us from just refusing the certification, inviting them
to collaborate in the future to have a positive response?
All the best.
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Oggetto: Re: Certification of Municipia
Data: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 08:34:22 +0100
Mittente: QGIS PORTUGAL <qgis.portugal at gmail.com>
A: cavallini at faunalia.it
Hello Paolo,
In name of the members of the Portuguese user group, here is our answer
to the certification of Municipia.
As you have seen in the PSC mailing list, we as a group have been
discussing when to consider a company QGIS friendly. To clarify, it had
nothing to do with the Training certification process, but for the
creation on our site of a page dedicated to companies. Only companies
with certain criteria can show in there. Yet, both their services and
their contributions will be listed there, so that users can take their
own conclusions.
For the certification program, we still think that this kind of criteria
could help user groups to make their decision, special if there are
contribution at the National level that the PSC may not be aware.
You mention that this procedure aims to avoid free ride of companies
that do not give back to the project. Municipia might be one of the
supreme examples of that in Portugal. At least that we know.
First some context about municipia. Municipia is a Cartography and GIS
company. They have 55+ employees [0]. Amongst other work, they develop
GIS solutions mainly for municipalities. During this year they signed
public contracts in the value of 294k €, in 2017 it was 386k €, and in
2016 it was 156k€ [1] (Note that some of this contract are together with
other companies, but, on the other hand this does not include contracts
with private companies)
We would vote NO for allowing them to have a QGIS certificate. Here’s
the reasons:
1 - The 500€ donation was already in 2011, therefore totally outdated.
Also, some members of our group think that the donation was in fact
around 200€ that were spent in snacks for the 5th QGIS developer
meeting. That allowed them to become official sponsors for a while. We
think that in 2011 the 500€ minimum for becoming a sponsor still did not
exists. Maybe Andrea can confirm this.
2 - According to Giovanni, the participation of Municipia in the 5th
QGIS developer meeting resumes to paying the snacks as posted above, and
getting a room for the event in the university for free. Still, that was
7 years ago.
3 - We have no experience with their QGIS courses. Anyway, these are not
free (as in beer) and open courses that could count as a contribution to
QGIS adoption. These course are probably delivered only to their
enterprise clients, as we never saw any publicity about them.
4 - By imposition of the OSGEO-Europe 2018 organization, the QGIS
Wildfire hazard maps plugin, was published on Github. Yet, the plugin is
incomplete, and will not return the expected outcome. This was tested by
Pedro Venâncio, who created a pull request to finish the plugin, but got
no answer from them.
5 - AFAIK They use QGIS (amongst other FOSS) to deliver solutions for
their clients, mainly public municipalities. They have shown some
products is our national FOSS4G (SASIG) last year. One, for managing
water networks was a QGIS plugin connected to PostGIS[2]. When asked if
the code of that system was provided to their clients, they clearly
answered that they would only provide the code to the client if that has
been agreed in the contract. This shows how they simply ignore the GPL
license…
I hope that this helps clarifying our position. Thank you for requiring
our opinion, we hope that this process make companies like Municipia
change their Modus operandi, and become active QGIS contributors.
In behalf of the Portuguese User Group,
Alexandre Neto
[0] -
https://www.linkedin.com/company/munic%C3%ADpia-s-a-/?originalSubdomain=pt
[1] -
http://www.base.gov.pt/Base/pt/ResultadosPesquisa?type=contratos&query=texto%3Dmunicipia%26tipo%3D0%26tipocontrato%3D0%26cpv%3D%26numeroanuncio%3D%26aqinfo%3D%26adjudicante%3D%26adjudicataria%3D%26desdeprecocontrato_false%3D%26desdeprecocontrato%3D%26ateprecocontrato_false%3D%26ateprecocontrato%3D%26desdedatacontrato%3D%26atedatacontrato%3D%26desdedatapublicacao%3D%26atedatapublicacao%3D%26desdeprazoexecucao%3D%26ateprazoexecucao%3D%26desdedatafecho%3D%26atedatafecho%3D%26desdeprecoefectivo_false%3D%26desdeprecoefectivo%3D%26ateprecoefectivo_false%3D%26ateprecoefectivo%3D%26pais%3D0%26distrito%3D0%26concelho%3D0
[2] -
http://osgeopt.pt/sasig2017/apresentacoes/22/Municipia_munWater_SASIG_2017.pptx
On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:51 PM Paolo Cavallini <cavallini at faunalia.it
<mailto:cavallini at faunalia.it>> wrote:
Obrigado.
Il 13 settembre 2018 10:59:22 CEST, QGIS PORTUGAL
<qgis.portugal at gmail.com <mailto:qgis.portugal at gmail.com>> ha scritto:
Hi Paolo,
We are taking care of it. I believe we will be able to give an
answer until the end of today.
Thanks!
Alexandre Neto
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 6:30 AM Paolo Cavallini
<cavallini at faunalia.it <mailto:cavallini at faunalia.it>> wrote:
Hi all,
we would greatly appreciate a confirmation of receipt of
this mine. Your
review should be completed within one month from first
communication.
Please do not hesitate contacting us, formally or
informally, for any doubt.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Cheers.
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Hi all,
as you probably know, QGIS.ORG-PSC has recently decided that
a necessary
step to grant approval for a company to become a QGIS
Certifying entity
is to ask local user groups to give their advice. Our aim is
to enhance
collaboration on the project, and avoid providing a free
ride for those
who only take without giving in proportion.
I am therefore submitting a proposal. Since this is the
first time we
apply the procedure, it has to be taken as slightly
experimental, so
please do not hesitate discussing with us details and decisions.
All the best, and thanks for your cooperation.
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Here's the Municípia contribution to QGIS project:
2011 – 500€ donation for QGIS projet
2011 - 5th QGIS Developer Meeting in Lisbon
The 5th QGIS Developer Meeting from 14 - 18 April 2011 was
held in
Lisbon, Portugal. This meeting was organized by Vânia Neves
and Giovanni
Manghi (Faunalia.pt) and MUNICIPIA. The event was be
partially supported
by MUNICIPIA and by the local OSGeo chapter.
University of Lisbon, Institute of Geography and Land Management
provided the venue.
2011 - 2018
12 QGIS courses (252 training hours for 144 trainees)
2018 – QGIS Wildfire hazard maps plugin presentation in
OSGEO-Europe
2018 Conference
========================================
My note: the plugin is publicly available at
https://github.com/MunicipiaSA/hazard_pmdfci but not (yet?)
published on
our repo.
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