[Qgis-user] Help Ukraine, Boycott Russia

Thu Feb 24 15:18:28 PST 2022

Yes, let us all make lists of all the things we want people to condemn before they can participate in QGIS support and development. . . . (NOT!)

From: Ari Meyer <ari.meyer at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 1:18 PM
To: Jeff Sonnentag <jsonnentag at llenviroinc.com>
Cc: qgis-user at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Help Ukraine, Boycott Russia

I do agree that such a boycott is problematic, in the same way that boycotting apolitical Chinese organizations for China's crimes against humanity is problematic.  But I do agree with Markus that Russia's actions here are abominable.  I think a reasonable compromise, FWIW, could be that Russian QGIS devs/users, at least those in the diaspora, unequivocally condemn Russian aggression and declare solidarity with Ukraine, or make some similar declaration.
Ari

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 1:49 PM Jeff Sonnentag <jsonnentag at llenviroinc.com<mailto:jsonnentag at llenviroinc.com>> wrote:
You can have another "Fully agreed with Andreas" from here. . . .

Would you be overjoyed and supportive of a "boycott" of QGIS if it comes out anybody in any war is using it for mapping stuff?

People could come up with all kinds of places considered "civilized" that went/are way off the tracks on COVID BS.  Want to ban participation of all the other people who live under tyrants too?

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From: Qgis-user <qgis-user-bounces at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:qgis-user-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>> On Behalf Of Paolo Cavallini
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 4:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Help Ukraine, Boycott Russia

Fully agreed with Andreas. We try to make the world a better, more free place by developing QGIS with a free and open source licence, let's stick to this and welcome any contribution.
Cheers.

Il 24/02/22 13:29, Andreas Neumann ha scritto:
> Dear Markus,
>
> This is a really difficult topic that you raise here. While I agree
> that the aggression from the Putin regime should be condemned, I am
> against excluding Russian QGIS contributors and sustaining members. If
> we start excluding countries and organizations on such assumptions -
> where do we draw the line? The majority of today's world population
> unfortunately has to live in problematic conditions, when it concerns
> democracy and dictators. Also - where should be draw the line on what
> is ethical use of QGIS and what not? Is oil exploration utilizing QGIS
> software allowed, as an example?
>
> As the current QGIS.ORG<http://QGIS.ORG> <http://QGIS.ORG> treasurer I can say that we
> had a sustaining member from Russia last year - there is no indication
> that this company is collaborating with the Putin government - though
> it is of course a bit hard to judge - of course - for outsiders.
>
> The vast majority of the Russian population is probably suffering from
> Putin's politics - my guess is that the majority of the Russian
> population would like to live in peace and prosperity and not be
> involved in such war and aggression. But do they have a real choice?
> Fair elections? I doubt it ... In that sense I am against excluding
> Russian QGIS users and contributors based on these events.
>
> We also have QGIS contributors from Ukraine who are now affected by
> this aggression - let's be supportive when there could be Ukrainian
> refugees in the coming months - and let's hope that this situation can
> soon be deescalated.
>
> Greetings,
> Andreas
>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 10:09, landconsult at freenet.de<mailto:landconsult at freenet.de>
> <mailto:landconsult at freenet.de<mailto:landconsult at freenet.de>> <landconsult at freenet.de<mailto:landconsult at freenet.de>
> <mailto:landconsult at freenet.de<mailto:landconsult at freenet.de>>> wrote:
>
>     Dear List,
>
>     like all free people in the world I totally condemn the Russian
>     invasion in Ukraine this morning. This is an attack on the free
>     world and especially on Europe and on all values of freedom which we
>     all represent in a global, peaceful open source community.
>
>     - So, what can each individual do to defend this freedom?
>     - What can the QGIS community do?
>     - How can we be sure, that the know-how we develop will not be used
>     for Russian military purposes against the Ukraine?
>
>     The invasion was confirmed by the Duma, the Russian parliament which
>     is the representative body of the Russian people. Consequently the
>     Russian population bears responsibility for the invasion and we
>     should led them know, that military force against an independent,
>     free and democratic European country goes against all the values 
>     we stand for in the open source community.
>
>     The least we can do is starting to think about a boycott of Russian
>     products and Russian co-operations to express our opinion to all
>     Russian companies and partners we know. Finally its up to the
>     ordinary Russian man to change this unbearable situation which is
>     becoming a permanent threat to free Europe.
>
>     With this respect the QGIS developer community should also think
>     about excluding Russian partners and sponsors from all QGIS
>     activities as long as Russian troops are in the Ukraine.
>
>     I think, the values of freedom we stand for, is the highest good we
>     must defend!
>
>     How do you think about it?
>
>     Very concerned greeting.
>
>     Markus Weidenbach
>     landConsult.de
>     Bühl/Germany
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