[OSGeo Africa] Native reserves/locations as originally proclaimed in the Native Land Act of 1913 and later

[Chris]

    Peter ,

    Perhaps the newer legislation ( maps , boundaries etc ) superceded the 
    older stuff ?
    I am no legal expert but for any legislation  with a spatial component 
    one would think that the spatial ( cadastral ) specification MUST be 
    quantifiable ( measureable ) -- otherwise how would you manage / govern 
    it ?

    There appears to be a HUGE lacuna here -- all the actually measureable 
    and verifiable aspects to the "seperate-devekopment"  programs / projects 
    appears to be missing or not very well recorded ? Not only so-called 
    black communal land was in question but also many white owned farms that 
    were expropriated.

    There must be a massive box of files gathering dust somewhere ( perhaps 
    they have all already gone "missing"  ? )

    I am shocked that no provision has been made for these incredibly 
    hiostorically valueable documents to be scanned / digitised. ( There is 
    no digital copy of the Tomlinson report -- or probably the Fagan and 
    Sauer reports -- and many others. ) Some American University of 
    institution is probabaly busy with it as I write -- they seem to care 
    more about our heritage that we do !


    CM


On 8 Apr 2013 at 14:04, Peter Newmarch wrote:

> I believe that this is possible.
> 
> I was once told about a certain book called the Government "Blue" or "Red"
> book which was the documentation about all the apartheid era land
> transactions - how many whites, blacks, Indians moved / relocated / forced
> etc.. etc.. - property descriptions, notice numbers etc.. etc... - now,
> while of a different era 1950's 1960's it will have the areas prior to
> that 1913 - it will either expand the 1913 areas or abolish them. - so it
> would be possible to work backwards from this book.
> 
> The problem is, my source was aware of only 3 such books being in 
> existence - two have already been lost apparently. I have not had the time
> to track down the last copy. But I will give this information to Aslam who
> may have better contacts than me in getting a copy of it.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> Peter Newmarch
> Professional Land Surveyor
> 4Y GeoInformatics Pty Ltd
> Tel : +27 31 5642856
> Fax : +27 31 5643074
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> eMail     : newmarch at land-surveyors.com
> 
> On 08/04/2013 13:24, Chris wrote:
> >      Hi Aslam ,
> >
> >      Have you had a look at the the Report of the Tomlinson Commission ?
> >      ( all the many volumes and maps )
> >
> >      I am very sure that there must have been a spatial component to the
> >      1913 Act -- I would also think that this would have been the
> >      responsibility of the SG ?  ( Definitely some Gov department )
> >
> >      There is some info for Natal but this would not be the whole
> >      country.
> >
> >      "The Native Reserves in Natal ( Natal Regional Survey Vol V11 )
> >      Edgar H Brookes and N Hurwitz University of Natal
> >
> >      Have you had a look at "Disputed Land"   ( the book )
> >
> >      Did you attend the land conference at UCT ?
> >
> >      http://www.landdivided2013.org.za
> >
> >      Lots of papers presented but I do not see anythung that would
> >      excite a land surveyor or a GIS practioner. It would appear that
> >      historians / social scientists know nothing about spatial and
> >      surveyors know nothing about history ?
> >
> >      The whole thing looks just like a talk shop -- something academics
> >      are famous for. How can you analyze something if you have not
> >      quantified it ?
> >
> >      Perhaps mail Aninka Claassens
> >      or
> >
> >      Prof Johann Kirsten at Pretoria University Ag Econ department  -
> >      Johann is a grandson of Prof Tomlinson.
> >
> >      WHERE are the Spatial experts -- Historical Geographers ?
> >
> >      Still -- when I see the Ford Foundation and Konrad Adenauer
> >      together I am not expecting anything more than a bound report and
> >      conclusions that favour certain political themes !
> >
> >      Please let me know if you do manage to track down the full spatial
> >      complement to the 1913 Land Act. Perhaps ask Linda ........
> >
> >
> >      CM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8 Apr 2013 at 12:06, Aslam Parker wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All
> >> I know this is a long shot, but is there anyone who has data on the
> >> location of Native Reserves as proclaimed in the 1913 Land Act and
> >> subsequent amendment. The TVBC states is a relatively recent artifact
> >> of the Apartheid Government land engineering project, for which I have
> >> information. I also have maps showing the location of Native Reserves
> >> in the 1960's. I am looking for maps older than this.
> >   
> >> Any leads will be appreciated.
> >   
> >> Kind regards
> >   
> >> Aslam Parker | Director: Geo-spatial Information and Professional
> >> Support |Chief Directorate: National Geo-spatial Information
> >> www.ngi.gov.za| Cape Town| Tel +27 21 658 4302| Fax +27 86 211 7919|
> >> Mobile 082 331 8501| aparker at ruraldevelopment.gov.za
> >   
> >
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