[OSGeo Africa] ESRI in Government and tender requirements

[Llewellyn Gush]

No

(ESRI Vendor rubbing their hands in glee at the captive market)

Government has rules that are put in place for good reason....
Government has policies and procedures and SOP manuals that dictate how
procurement is to be done, and what you may procure and what your
limitations are.

Why are department within Government ignoring/violating their own
policies etc. (OSS policy, MIOS ver 5 If you haven't read them do
yourself a favour and read them)

The circular from NT refers to cost containing measures,  ALL
procurement must take place competitively based on a CLEAR
specification. Product based specification is expressly forbidden.



On 26/07/2018 13:13, Nhamo, Luxon (IWMI-South Africa) wrote:
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> Hi all
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> That is what the supplier wants. I do not see where the problem is. If
> ESRI has managed to penetrate government through their marketing
> strategies what’s the problem? Why can’t you do the same with your
> products? If you can’t beat them join them.
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> Regards,
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> *From:*Africa [mailto:africa-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Sindile Bidla
> *Sent:* 26 July 2018 12:49 PM
> *To:* Africa local chapter discussions <africa at lists.osgeo.org>
> *Cc:* Africa local chapter discussions <africa at lists.osgeo.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo Africa] ESRI in Government and tender requirements
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> Hi all,
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> I was also surprised by this requirement from DHS.
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> I think what is best is those prejudiced by this requirement to write
> to the Department and to seek a response from the officials in the
> tender document. If there is no satisfactory response to escalate the
> matter to the Office of the DG and even National Treasury.
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> ---- On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 10:23:48 +0200 *Aslam Parker
> <Aslam.Parker at drdlr.gov.za <mailto:Aslam.Parker at drdlr.gov.za>>* wrote ----
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>     Hi Gavin
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>     The SITA circular does not state that you can only use ESRI,
>     rather that if ESRI is used, there is only one accredited service
>     provider (that I am aware of).  This has the effect of speeding up
>     the procurement process significantly if ESRI products/services
>     are indeed a requirement, especially when it comes to maintenance etc.
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>     Gavin, ask for a copy of the circular. The National Treasury
>     Instruction 3 of 2017/2018 is about cost cutting and makes no
>     reference to ESRI.
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>     *From:*Africa [mailto:africa-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>     <mailto:africa-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>] *On Behalf Of *Gavin Fleming
>     *Sent:* Thursday, 26 July 2018 10:10 AM
>     *To:* Africa local chapter discussions
>     *Subject:* [OSGeo Africa] ESRI in Government and tender requirements
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>     Hi all
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>     I attended the briefing session for the Department of Home Affairs
>     geographical accessibility study (Thanks Zoltan for the heads-up).
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>     The ToR states that the service provider has to have ArcGIS. I
>     asked for this requirement to be removed since it does not matter
>     what software the service provider uses as long as they deliver
>     the result. The response from DHA was that Govt has a ’transversal
>     ESRI licence’ and that all Govt departments have to use ESRI!
>     Never mind that this is completely contrary to the FOSS policy
>     agreed to by Cabinet in 2007 and against SITA procurement policy,
>     if it even is true that Govt is ‘has to’ use ESRI that does NOT
>     mean service providers have to. Nevertheless I got a vocal support
>     from other attendees as this requirement is ridiculous and
>     exclusionary. 
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>     DHA went further to say they want service providers to use ArcGIS
>     so they don’t end up with issues using the data that service
>     providers deliver. They are confusing software with data and don’t
>     seem to be aware (or are so brainwashed) that most formats
>     produced by most GIS software these days are completely
>     interoperable. Furthermore they are unaware of and indeed flouting
>     the MIOS (SA Govt Minimum Interoperability Standards).
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>     Even worse and quite nonsensical is this formal response from DHA
>     to all attendees of the briefing session:
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>       * Relating to SITA circular 1 of 2017/18 and National Treasury
>         SCM circular 3 of 2017/8, it is a requirement that all
>         Government departments make use of ESRI South Africa for
>         software and therefore the format required will be in Arc GIS
>         format.
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>     Firstly there is no such thing as ‘Arc GIS format’. Secondly this
>     is blatantly incorrect (and illegal if it is true). Lastly, can
>     anyone enlighten the list as to the contents of the two circulars
>     mentioned and whether they even support this argument?
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>     Your thoughts? Anyone willing to take action?
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>     regards
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>     Gavin
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