[OSGeo Africa] ESRI in Government and tender requirements

[Peter Newmarch]

Please could somebody send me these circulars referred to. I wish to investigate.

Regards

Peter.

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> On 26 Jul 2018, at 15:54, Llewellyn Gush <llewellyn at jgdm.gov.za> wrote:
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> Thank you
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> So. please tell me where it says that you are obliged to procure ESRI only? 
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> The main gist of all of this is!!! "Cost containment". How much more cost effective is R0-00 (Eish it makes me cry)
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> Nice but still does not address the real issue.
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> Government have negotiated preferential agreements with certain suppliers, did they go through their own designated process to do this or was it "short circuited?"
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> Should an alternative solution be capable of doing the job, why are departments not being truthful and allowing these solutions to be part of the process. There is nowhere in either circular that stipulates what MUST be used, only that preferential agreements are in place.
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> The Open Source solutions that are considered alternatives may be just as capable for the specified application, but unless a detailed needs specification has been done, then no one will know and the procurement remains irregular.
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>> On 26/07/2018 15:00, Sindile Bidla wrote:
>> Here are the circulars referred to in the response by DHA.
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>> ---- On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 11:34:47 +0200 Abraham Parbhunath <ParbhuA at eskom.co.za> wrote ----
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>> Hi Gavin.
>> I’m sure the term should be “ESRI ( Application  and version no.) compatible” format.  We have specced many contracts and we always use the “compatible” term.  If there were data issues from previous projects, one can introduce a caveat as to why a proprietary software must be used, but this should be backed by facts.
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>> Regards
>> Abraham Parbhunath
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>> From: Africa [mailto:africa-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Gavin Fleming
>> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:10 AM
>> To: Africa local chapter discussions
>> Subject: [OSGeo Africa] ESRI in Government and tender requirements
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>> Hi all
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>> I attended the briefing session for the Department of Home Affairs geographical accessibility study (Thanks Zoltan for the heads-up).
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>> The ToR states that the service provider has to have ArcGIS. I asked for this requirement to be removed since it does not matter what software the service provider uses as long as they deliver the result. The response from DHA was that Govt has a ’transversal ESRI licence’ and that all Govt departments have to use ESRI! Never mind that this is completely contrary to the FOSS policy agreed to by Cabinet in 2007 and against SITA procurement policy, if it even is true that                     Govt is ‘has to’ use ESRI that does NOT mean service providers have to. Nevertheless I got a vocal support from other attendees as this requirement is ridiculous and exclusionary. 
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>> DHA went further to say they want service providers to use ArcGIS so they don’t end up with issues using the data that service providers deliver. They are confusing software with data and don’t seem to be aware (or are so brainwashed) that most formats produced by most GIS software these days are completely interoperable. Furthermore they are unaware of and indeed flouting the MIOS (SA Govt Minimum Interoperability Standards).
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>> Even worse and quite nonsensical is this formal response from DHA to all attendees of the briefing session:
>> Relating to SITA circular 1 of 2017/18 and National Treasury SCM circular 3 of 2017/8, it is a requirement that all Government departments make use of ESRI South Africa for software and therefore the format required will be in Arc GIS format.
>> Firstly there is no such thing as ‘Arc GIS format’. Secondly this is blatantly incorrect (and illegal if it is true). Lastly, can anyone enlighten the list as to the contents of the two circulars mentioned and whether they even support this argument?
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>> Your thoughts? Anyone willing to take action?
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>> regards
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>> Gavin
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