[Geodata] Re: [Aust-NZ] NZ geodata on OSGEO?

Wed Apr 30 07:37:12 EDT 2008

Hi,

Apologies for being slack in getting back to the list..been moving country,
house, job etc

>
> If we are to host this data via OSGeo, I would prefer to do so with LINZ's
> blessing, rather than through an interpretation of a license agreement.


>>I have had some previous contact with LINZ re: using LINZ topo in OSM and
would be happy to provide details of this communication offline


> There have been some encouraging actions towards OSGeo and OS spatial
> software from the NZ Government.
>
> Would you like to approach Brendan acting in your position as a Director
> (elect) of OSGeo-AustNZ?


>>I am not 100% whether the NZGeospatial Office  has any control over the
legal distribution of LINZ data - my contacts were within the product and
legal teams


>
>
>
> If not, I'm happy to do so.
>
>
>
> Bruce Bannerman
>
>
>
>
> geodata-bounces at lists.osgeo.org wrote on 28/04/2008 06:21:47 PM:
>
> >
> > To summarise the situation regarding this:
> >
> > I have an offer to supply NZTopo, cadastral including road_cl but
> without
> > survey marks & some StatsNZ boundaries.
> >
> > Some other datasets such as EEZ, Territorial Sea, etc are probably
> available.
> > The LINZ geotiff orthos' are available.
> >
> > I have an OSGEO related offer to host the vector data, provided the
> licences
> > meet with OSGEO approval. I'm not sure at this stage if this will
> include a
> > PostGIS/mapserver/OpenLayers based website to demo teh data & the
> > applications,
> > but figure we can work through these questions once (if) we have an
> OSGEO
> > acceptance of the licences.
> >
> > There are a few questions still before we can really progress this:


There may also be interest from Harley Prowse and his team at GBS in
Auckland reg: hosting an OpenSoirce stack providing kiwi data - contact me
offline for Harley's details


>
> >
> >
> > Are the LINZ & Stats NZ data licences acceptable to OSGEO? (who
> decides?)
> >
> > LINZ licence is at:
> > http://www.linz.govt.
> > nz/docs/topography/topographicdata/topodtabase/licence-agreement-1.pdf
> > (but note we will be getting the data from a re-supplier, rather than
> > purchasing it from LINZ directly, so any additional conditions may
> > also need to
> > be considered)
> >
> > Stats NZ licence is at: http://www.stats.govt.nz/copyright.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hosting/web app issues as mentioned above.
> >
> > What sort of data maintenance regime is appropriate: apply all updates
> as they
> > become available, or is this overkill for OSGEO purposes? Monthly,
> annually???
> >
> > Can anyone host the ortho imagery as a WMS layer to be incorporated in
> the
> > final application?
> >
> >
> >
> > Is a wiki page for discussion of this going to be more useful than a
> list
> > discussion?
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >   Brent
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> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:09:20 +1200
> From: "Robert Coup" <robert.coup at koordinates.com>
> Subject: Re: [Geodata] Re: [Aust-NZ] NZ geodata on OSGEO?
> To: Bruce.Bannerman at dpi.vic.gov.au
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> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:42 AM,  <Bruce.Bannerman at dpi.vic.gov.au> wrote:
> > There have been some encouraging actions towards OSGeo and OS spatial
> > software from the NZ Government.
> >
> > Would you like to approach Brendan acting in your position as a Director
> > (elect) of OSGeo-AustNZ?
>
> Note that they've okayed the Topo data to be released into OSM, so
> clarifying it for OSGeo is probably just an extension. Simon can chime
> in with the people he's been dealing with or I can dig up their
> emails.
>
> Rob :)


>>Cheers Rob


>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:12:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Brent Wood <pcreso at pcreso.com>
> Subject: Re: [Geodata] Re: [Aust-NZ] NZ geodata on OSGEO?
> To: Bruce.Bannerman at dpi.vic.gov.au
> Cc: geodata at lists.osgeo.org, Aust-NZ at lists.osgeo.org
> Message-ID: <84777.3631.qm at web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> --- Bruce.Bannerman at dpi.vic.gov.au wrote:
>
> > Brent,
> >
> > If we are to host this data via OSGeo, I would prefer to do so with
> LINZ's
> > blessing, rather than through an interpretation of a license agreement.
> >
> > There have been some encouraging actions towards OSGeo and OS spatial
> > software from the NZ Government.
> >
> > Would you like to approach Brendan acting in your position as a Director
> > (elect) of OSGeo-AustNZ?
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> I received the email below way back (Mon Jan 05, 2004), when I first
> looked at
> purchasing the raw NZTopo data from LINZ (LSLIFF format) & on-supplying it
> for
> free on a LiveCD:
>
> > Hi Brent
> >
> > The cost of NZTopo in LSLIFF is $1500 incl GST.  It can be obtained
> > from the Map Centre.  There are no additional conditions placed on a
> > purchaser with regard to reselling.  It is yours to do with as you
> > wish.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > David Balm
> > Senior Advisor NTHA
> > Land Information New Zealand
> > Phone: (04) 460 0197 or extn 6197
> > Fax: (04) 471 6894
> > E-mail:  dbalm at linz.govt.nz
>
>
> The impression I have is that LINZ (and other NZ Govt Departments whom
> I've
> asked the question of) do not want to grant specific permissions for any
> particular organisation or data providor for any particular purpose, as
> this in
> sffect constitutes a governmental approval or tacit endorsement, which
> they are
> loathe to do. Instead, a generic wording such as the one above are used,
> or
> they reference the licence & the generic freedom expressed there.
>
> Essentially, I was happy with the phrase: "It is yours to do with as you
> wish."
>
> While this applies to the data as supplied by LINZ, there are also any
> constraints imposed by those who are giving us a copy of their version of
> these
> data. I believe we need to more closely look at the licence covering
> these,
> rather than the LINZ original. If there is currently no such licence for
> these
> data, then we should perhaps come up with one which meets OSGEO & LINZ
> requirements.
>
>
> I can re-visit this with LINZ if necessary, but I figure the above reply
> may
> constitute an appropriate permission to do what we want with it?
>
> If not, please let me know & I'll ask again :-)
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>  Brent
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:35:16 +1000
> From: Bruce.Bannerman at dpi.vic.gov.au
> Subject: Re: [Geodata] Re: [Aust-NZ] NZ geodata on OSGEO?
> To: Brent Wood <pcreso at pcreso.com>
> Cc: geodata at lists.osgeo.org, Aust-NZ at lists.osgeo.org
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> IMO:
>
> Brent,
>
> It seems clear cut, but I'd prefer that we were open with LINZ about our
> intentions and give then the chance to comment if they wanted to.
>
>
> It will also flag that we're planning to use Open Source spatial tools
> with their data and may generate some more interest on their part.
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> >
> > I can re-visit this with LINZ if necessary, but I figure the above reply
> may
> > constitute an appropriate permission to do what we want with it?
> >
> > If not, please let me know & I'll ask again :-)
> >
>
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> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:47:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Hamish <hamish_b at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Geodata] Re: [Aust-NZ] NZ geodata on OSGEO?
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> > While this applies to the data as supplied by LINZ, there are also any
> > constraints imposed by those who are giving us a copy of their version
> > of these data. I believe we need to more closely look at the licence
> > covering these, rather than the LINZ original.
>
> If extra strings are attached by the reseller which we are not happy
> with, then we can always spend the $270 or whatever and buy an
> unencumbered copy directly from LINZ.
>
>
> Hamish
>
>
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