[Aust-NZ] Re: Strategic Investment in Geonetwork Open Source(draft
paper)
Mark Leslie
mrk.leslie at gmail.com
Wed Jul 9 03:27:26 EDT 2008
I've added the document (latest version I could find) to the SEE Grid
wiki, at
https://www.seegrid.csiro.au/twiki/bin/view/Infosrvices/StrategicGeoNetworkInvestment.
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Robert.Woodcock at csiro.au wrote:
> Hi Cameron,
>
> You're welcome to use the SEE Grid wiki if you would like. The NCRIS
> Spatial Information Services Stack will be hosted here (it already is I
> just need to do some reorganisation so that becomes obvious - could do
> with a self-organising wiki!).
>
> There is GeoNetwork section at this location
> https://www.seegrid.csiro.au/twiki/bin/view/Infosrvices/GeoNetworkDevelo
> pment
>
> It's currently in template form pending the SISS Project Committee
> approving the SISS Project plan, which should happen today. You may edit
> the page and add a topic for your document if you wish and anyone else
> wishing to contribute or access any other part of the SEE Grid twiki is
> welcome to contact cg-admin at csiro.au to request a SEE Grid twiki
> account.
>
> There is a lot more than just GeoNetwork on this site, there is also
> Geoserver work from SISS, a guide on developing GML Application Schemas,
> the GeosciML standard and its testbeds, high performance computing using
> Grid standards and so forth.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob
>
>
> Dr Robert Woodcock
> CSIRO Exploration & Mining ,
> ARRC, 26 Dick Perry Ave,
> Kensington, WA 6151 Australia
> Phone +61 8 6436 8780 Fax +61 8 6436 8586
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 July 2008 7:13 AM
> To: Woodcock, Robert (E&M, Kensington)
> Cc: Aust-NZ at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Aust-NZ] Re: Strategic Investment in Geonetwork Open
> Source(draft paper)
>
> Thank you Rob,
> Your comments about coordinating sponsors and managing priorities are
> very valuable. They provide a good basis for discussion amongst
> stakeholders (which I'm hoping Ben Searle will be organising soon).
>
> I plan to action your comments, then migrate the document to a wiki to
> allow collaborative editing in a couple of weeks.
>
> Robert.Woodcock at csiro.au wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I've a few comments on the Strategic Investment in Geonetwork Open
>> Source(draft paper) document:
>>
>> * Much of the document is an outline of what constitutes
>> appropriate software project management. In that regard it is a
>> useful guide when assessing investments, activities and teams
>> for the uninitiated
>> * GeoNetwork stakeholders list is useful in understanding some of
>> the interactions occurring. Interestingly though it does not
>> mention the GeoNetwork Project Steering Committee? (There is
>> also an error in the CSIRO section, the words for the Business
>> Drivers are Rob Woodcock's (mine) not Rob Atkinson's - just
>> don't want Rob A to be blamed!)
>> * The Community Liaison Officer* *would significantly assist
>> development contributions (from any participant) in better
>> informing stakeholders and in prioritising work (informed
>> decision making) across those organisations that choose to
>> participate through this coordination process - noting of course
>> that this coordination process is not the GeoNetwork one (that
>> isn't necessarily a bad thing as the objective is to better
>> coordinate ANZLIC investments, not take over GeoNetwork)
>> * It is entirely possible, potentially useful, for ANZLIC sponsors
>> to pool their resources and form a critical mass development
>> team with appropriate project management in order to further
>> their goals with GeoNetwork. - this may in fact be all that the
>> document is describing but it isn't clear to me that is the
>> case, as my next point describes, and if it is then how do other
>> projects, like NCIRS SISS, interact given they can directly
>> assist the ANZLIC objectives if properly informed?
>> * I'm concerned that the document confuses the multiple community
>> objectives that make up "GeoNetwork" development, bundling them
>> into a single geonetwork activity. I believe it is important
>> that this be understood more clearly as it impacts stakeholder
>> expectations - for example, expecting a production grade outcome
>> from a project contribution that, whilst adding the desired
>> feature, is only resourced and intended to add a demonstration
>> feature. More over, I'm concerned that this confusion leads to a
>> proposition that "developers can be pooled together under a
>> common project and project manager but still answerable to their
>> respective organisations". Whilst that may be possible under a
>> secondment style arrangement for resources the ANZLIC sponsors
>> control, that isn't the type of situation that exists in many
>> useful cases. Groups like BlueNet previously and NCRIS SISS
>> which are funded to deliver to their stakeholders have project
>> management and contractual obligations - they can't second staff
>> to nor be answerable to an Aust/NZ steering committee. Indeed, I
>> can't see those resources being leveraged in a useful form if an
>> external Project Manager attempts to manage those projects, it
>> may cause conflict. These project types, where willing, can
>> respond to a clear call for features or bug fixes etc and/or
>> allow their contributions to be leveraged elsewhere (where their
>> contractual terms permit and the communication of those
>> development priorities are clear). Indeed, many open source
>> project operate effectively on this principle.
>>
>> Achieving critical development mass, particularly around quality
>> issues and production releases, has been one of the principle
>> objectives of the NCIRS SISS project setup. It is unusual in that
>> regard because it isn't focussed on building features for its
>> stakeholders but on tackling a "gap" in the current community
>> investments in the spatial services stack that is hampering deployment
>>
>
>
>> efforts by multiple organisations (including some ANZLIC ones) that
>> NCRIS would like to see happen. The NCRIS SISS project stakeholders
>> are in fact interested in responding to a clear call for features and
>> bug fixes!
>>
>> The other main objective has been to work towards a "customer"
>> engagement model which provides a more informed decision making
>> process - the Community Liaison role suggested is one such approach,
>> especially when matched with an equivalent developer liaison role so
>> the "pair" can inform both up and down the communications pipe. Ben
>> Searle is on the NCRIS SISS Project Committee to assist in this
>> regards, though Ben is still keen to see this model improved further.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> Project Director - Auscope Grid
>>
>> SISS - Project Manager
>>
>> Dr Robert Woodcock
>>
>> CSIRO Exploration & Mining ,
>>
>> ARRC, 26 Dick Perry Ave,
>>
>> Kensington, WA 6151 Australia
>>
>> Phone +61 8 6436 8780 Fax +61 8 6436 8586
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>> *From:* aust-nz-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>> [mailto:aust-nz-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of
>> *Bruce.Bannerman at dpi.vic.gov.au
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 June 2008 1:57 PM
>> *To:* Aust-NZ OSGeo
>> *Subject:* Re: [Aust-NZ] Re: Strategic Investment in Geonetwork Open
>> Source(draft paper)
>>
>>
>> IMO:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com> wrote on 26/06/2008
>> 09:45:02 AM:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Perhaps we could put this into a wiki to allow other members of
>>>>
> the
>
>>>> community to help develop it further.
>>>>
>>> Yes, good idea. I planned originally to use a wiki but migrated to
>>>
> word
>
>>> as I find it easier to write in and collate reviews. Once the
>>>
> document
>
>>> has stablized and when I next have a spare few hours I'll move it
>>>
> across
>
>>> (in a week or 2).
>>>
>> OK.
>>
>> I intend making some comments / additions. I'll use track changes
>> within Word and post my version of the document back to the
>> OSGeo-AustNZ list so that we have an audit trail and archive.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Bruce Bannerman
>>
>>
>>
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