[Board] [OSGeo-Standards] Status of the 10 OGC slots for OSGeo members

Wed Sep 12 19:09:59 PDT 2012

Cameron -

Sure. Let me review more closely. Also, check out the OGC Individual Member 
info and restrictions on the OGC website.

http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/join/level/individual

IPR is a key aspect.

Cheers

Carl

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From: Cameron Shorter
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 5:01 PM
To: Arnulf Christl
Cc: Andrea Aime ; standards at lists.osgeo.org ; osgeo-board List ; Carl Reed
Subject: Re: [Board] [OSGeo-Standards] Status of the 10 OGC slots for OSGeo 
members

Arnulf, Carl,
Is there any reason why a person would not be granted one of the OGC
slots for OSGeo members? If so, can we please list them on our wiki:

Possible reasons for not being provided with the OGC slot:
* The person works for an OGC member company or institution (and as such
already has OGC access)

* The person works for a spatial type company which by OGC assessment
should become a member. This would likely be the clause most referred
to. Eg, I understand Andrea has an interest in OGC standards through his
work, but his company is not currently working on an OGC testbed and
probably doesn't consider it worth becoming a member at this point.

* The person is not currently working on Open Source Geospatial Software

Can we also please also add a "token granted: date" next to each person
with a token.

On 13/09/2012 8:05 AM, Arnulf Christl wrote:
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> Cameron,
> thanks for reminding me. Basically everything has been said on the
> lists and is documented in the Wiki [1]. Michael has drafted a more
> refined process which maybe is a little too formal for what we need
> right now but works fine for me. I would be happy to stay one of the
> liaisons to the OGC and also added him to our small "selection
> committee". Maybe we can get board approval for this at the meeting
> tomorrow?
>
> I will have to check my schedule but I should be able to standby
> during the board meeting to answer any questions.
>
> My concern is more along the linies of what Carl summarized when he
> said thet the whole idea behind this was to get some more *active*
> engagement from the Open Source Community in the standards processes
> of the OGC. So far there has been extremely little to no visible
> participation from within OSGeo through this channel. The only
> exception is Volker Mische who made good use of the donated
> membership. He gave regular reports about what he did and when he was
> hired by his company gracefully stepped down to make way for somebody
> who does not have the option to join through a regular business
> membership. This was how we originally thought this would work.
>
> And we should remind ourselves that the OGC has no obligation
> whatsoever to give us this option and that they can terminate it at
> any time. So it does not really suit us well to demand anything from
> them, some mails sounded a bit as if that were the case.
>
> But with the renewed interest we have been seen in the past week maybe
> we can get something useful done.
>
> Another minor question: Currently on the sponsor pages it says to
> contact me for further information (and that I am president, so we
> need to change that anyway). I edited all language pages in a hurry
> when Tyler left. Now to do it right, what should I change it to?
>
> Cheers,
> Arnulf
>
> [1]
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_signs_Memorandum_of_Understanding_with_OGC#Designated_OSGeo_Members
>
> On 09/12/2012 09:25 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> Arnulf, This question is back up for discussion at the OSGeo Board
>> meeting [1] in half a day.(13th of September 2012 at 12:00 UTC
>> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2012&month=09&day=13&hour=12&min=0&sec=0>
>>
>>
> )
>> Last time we left the conversation we wanted to find out from
>> yourself what has been agreed to be the process for handing out OGC
>> membership tokens, and have such guidelines encoded into a wiki.
>>
>> Could you please weigh in on this conversation.
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2012-09-13
>>
>> On 15/08/2012 8:55 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
>>> If I recall from my original thoughts on this…
>>>
>>> * A Token Oversight and Allocation Committee (TOAC) would act on
>>> behalf of the OSGeo Board to track allocation, usage, and
>>> revocation of the tokens. The TOAC would consist of 2-3 folks,
>>> including at least one OSGeo board member and one OGC staff
>>> person. TOAC members to volunteer, and should have both OSGeo and
>>> OGC experience. OSGeo Board to appoint initial TOAC chair, etc,
>>> just like other osgeo committees operate.
>>>
>>> * TOAC should rarely require any actual meetings; emails should
>>> suffice.
>>>
>>> * Requests for tokens would be made by email, with an explanation
>>> of what the token would be used for and why OSGeo should care.
>>> TOAC should respond promptly to requests.
>>>
>>> * Tokens would be allocated allocated for a fixed period of time
>>> (6-12 months?). After that period, the token holder would be
>>> required to report on his or her use of the token -- nothing
>>> onerous, just an email to the TOAC explaining what he is doing in
>>> OGC-land and why OSGeo should care.
>>>
>>> * Renewals for tokens should be simple -- as long as no one else
>>> is waiting for a token, and as long as the token holder is
>>> reporting that he is doing Good and Useful Stuff, then another
>>> 6-12 months should be granted.
>>>
>>> * Token requestors may be any OSGeo community member (need not be
>>> a Charter member or whatever).
>>>
>>> * TOAC should report regularly (6-12 months) to OSGeo board and
>>> OGC mgmt on use of the tokens. Again, just a decent email would
>>> suffice.
>>>
>>> * In the event of token demand exceeding token supply, the TOAC
>>> should arbitrate based on both (1) how long each token has been
>>> in use by one person and (2) hope valuable the usage of that
>>> token has been. TOAC to use a consensus-based approach, based on
>>> token usage supporting the goals of the foundation.
>>>
>>> -mpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Cameron Shorter
>>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suggest that it would be a good idea to document a process
>>>> for allocating the OGC membership token.
>>>>
>>>> Andrea, as you are probably the person with the most pressing
>>>> need, would you be interested in putting together a first draft
>>>> for what such a process might look like?
>>>>
>>>> I'd suggest starting the Draft process here somewhere:
>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Standards
>>>>
>>>> If the process is suitably complete, we can discuss and sign
>>>> off on it it at the next board meeting.
>>>>
>>>> Items which I think should be considered in the process: * Why
>>>> would we give the membership to one person over another? * Who
>>>> would approve the allocation of OGC membership to someone? The
>>>> board? Other OGC members? * What expectations would we have
>>>> OSGeo/OGC members? * How long would OSGeo/OGC membership last?
>>>> What would be the process for retiring/replacing a member? *
>>>> Where would we list the current OSGeo/OGC members? (I'd like
>>>> to know who is on this list now)
>>>>
>>>> On 15/08/2012 1:28 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
>>>>> Hey, fellow Boarders, do we have anyone who owns this topic?
>>>>>
>>>>> -mpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 5:29 AM, Andrea Aime
>>>>> <andrea.aime at geo-solutions.it
>>>>> <mailto:andrea.aime at geo-solutions.it>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all, I'm wondering what is the status of the 10 OGC
>>>>>> personal membership slots that were given to OSGeo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are they all taken? If not, is there a particular procedure
>>>>>> to follow in order to get one of those?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers Andrea
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________ Board mailing
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>>>> On 15/08/2012 3:14 AM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
>>>>> I know I posted some ideas for managing this many months ago,
>>>>> perhaps before I was on the board…
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll add two things to the next mtg agenda: - formalize
>>>>> process for allocating and reviewing OGC memberships - give
>>>>> one to Andrea Aime (assuming we have an extra one available)
>>>>>
>>>>> -mpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 14, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Jeff McKenna
>>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi mpg and fellow Board members,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm one of the ones using a slot (I thought it was 6 not
>>>>>> 10, but maybe a few years ago it was 6 available).  My
>>>>>> process was that I responded on discuss or wherever when I
>>>>>> heard of this, and then Arnulf put me in touch with an OGC
>>>>>> membership person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not aware of a formal process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12-08-14 12:28 PM, Michael P. Gerlek wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey, fellow Boarders, do we have anyone who owns this
>>>>>>> topic?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -mpg
>>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2
>>>> 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
>>>>
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>> -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Solutions Manager Tel: +61 (0)2 8570
>> 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
>>
>> Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open
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> - -- 
> Arnulf Christl
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