[Board] Fwd: Fwd: {OL3: Funding} Re: Marketing/sponsors/...
Arnulf Christl
arnulf.christl at metaspatial.net
Fri Jan 4 01:18:44 PST 2013
Cedric,
thanks! Forwarded to board list.
Cheers,
Arnulf
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Subject: Fwd: {OL3: Funding} Re: [Board] Marketing/sponsors/...
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 20:19:23 +0100
From: Cédric MOULLET <cedric.moullet at gmail.com>
To: board-owner at lists.osgeo.org
Since my mail was rejected, I send it to you
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From: *Cédric MOULLET* <cedric.moullet at gmail.com
<mailto:cedric.moullet at gmail.com>>
Date: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: {OL3: Funding} Re: [Board] Marketing/sponsors/...
To: "ol3-funding at googlegroups.com <mailto:ol3-funding at googlegroups.com>"
<ol3-funding at googlegroups.com <mailto:ol3-funding at googlegroups.com>>
Cc: board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org>, marketing
<marketing at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:marketing at lists.osgeo.org>>
Hi,
Regarding the OL3 funding effort, I sent a status email that you can
find here:
http://osgeo-org.1560.n6.nabble.com/OpenLayers-3-Funding-effort-status-tt5024314.html
If needed, I can provide the name of the majority of the 119 funders
(OSGB, BRGM, Canton of Zürich and Neuchâtel, Orkney, Survey office
Brandenburg, Bayern and Danmark, swisstopo etc, etc...). We decided not
to diffuse the amount of the contributions, but only the global amount.
Here are my observations made during this effort (it it can be of any
help...):
1.In order to find an an important amount, it's key to collect money by
administrations and to use personal contacts in order to reach the
persons who decide. Private or company funders will help, but with less
important amounts. Having said that, it's also very important to have
these less important amounts, since they show the willingness of the
community to participate to the effort.
2. It's important to develop something new and to clearly state the
goal. I don't believe that it's possible to find (a lot of) money only
for maintenance, minor evolutions or bugfixing work. For minor
evolutions, the best is to make bilateral contracts on a case by case basis.
3. The main issue that we encounter was legal. The problem is that the
jurisdiction of the countries don't take in account the way OpenSource
Communities are working. And, in addition, an OpenSource community is
not a legal entity, like the Project Steering Commitee is not a legal
entity. All the administrations need a clear, contractual partner. It's
not easy (from a legal perspective) to simply make a donation. One way
to solve that is to use "research contracts".
4. In the past 2 or 3 years, we invested a lot of time in working with
other administrations (mainly in Switzerland with cities and cantons) in
order to explain them the benefits of working together in OpenSource
communities. This preparation work is crucial and the result is that a
part of the OpenLayers 3 funds is coming from these entities.
Hope this helps,
Best regards,
Cédric
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Seven (aka Arnulf) <seven at arnulf.us
<mailto:seven at arnulf.us>> wrote:
The "OL3 funding group" (for lack of a better name) did a really good
job of promoting OL3 development and sponsorship, maybe they can
include Japanese reps into their activities and share results. Added
in CC for further follow-ups.
There is really good support for OL3 from SwissTopo, OSGB and I
believe also IGN France (in the order of 350k+) but not sure how
official all of this is, so cannot really say much else. The best
place to learn more about the OL3 sponsorship activities so far is
that group with reps from terrestris, OpenGeo and camptocamp.
Cheers,
Arnulf
On 03.01.2013 17:25, Jo Cook wrote:
> Dear All,
> What about the Ordnance Survey in the UK? They use OpenLayers as
> part of their "OpenSpace" mapping API
(http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/web-services/os-openspace/api/index.html)
so in theory are probably contributing to OL2 if not OL3. Arnulf might
> have a better idea about this, in his new role with them.
> Jo
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Yves Jacolin <yjacolin at free.fr
<mailto:yjacolin at free.fr>
> <mailto:yjacolin at free.fr <mailto:yjacolin at free.fr>>> wrote:
> Hello Jeff,
> Thanks sharing this, this is indeed important as we want to do the
> same here in France: find support from official and governmental
> organism.
> I will try to find some examples in my side.
> Y.
> Le jeudi 3 janvier 2013 12:14:18 Jeff McKenna a écrit :
>> Hello Board and community,
>>
>> I did debate which mailing list to send this to
>> (board/discuss/marketing), but let's start here.
>>
>> I received a message from one of the OSGeo-Japan leaders
>> (Hayashi-san) pointing to an important recent blog entry from
>> another OSGeo-Japan leader (Mori-san, CEO of Orkney):
>> http://blog.goo.ne.jp/jg2tkh/e/b4e04c4da1f141c66f48b3bd5142c733
>>
>> I will try my best to summarize:
>>
>> - Orkney is a long-time contributor and sponsor for FOSS4G
>> projects - Mori-san is concerned that only his company is willing
>> to contribute to OpenLayers3 ("OL3") development in Japan, even
>> though many organizations will use OL3 - a large federal org
>> (Geospatial Information Authority, GSI, of
> Japan)
>> uses OpenLayers2 , but is so far not committed to helping OL3
> development
>> - Hayashi-san thinks sharing examples of other
> organizations/governments
>> who support FOSS4G/OSGeo Projects will help OSGeo-JP attract
>> contributions from local orgs like GSI
>>
>> Do we have such a page to point to? (yes this is a marketing
>> issue) e.g. case studies of organizations helping OSGeo Projects
>> grow
>>
>> (note that this is needed on my own website, so I don't pretend
>> to be the marketing expert, but I do realize it is SUPER
>> important)
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Cédric MOULLET <cedric.moullet at gmail.com
<mailto:cedric.moullet at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,
Regarding the OL3 funding effort, I sent a status email that you can
find here:
http://osgeo-org.1560.n6.nabble.com/OpenLayers-3-Funding-effort-status-tt5024314.html
If needed, I can provide the name of the majority of the 119 funders
(OSGB, BRGM, Canton of Zürich and Neuchâtel, Orkney, Survey office
Brandenburg, Bayern and Danmark, swisstopo etc, etc...). We decided
not to diffuse the amount of the contributions, but only the global
amount.
Here are my observations made during this effort (it it can be of
any help...):
1.In order to find an an important amount, it's key to collect money
by administrations and to use personal contacts in order to reach
the persons who decide. Private or company funders will help, but
with less important amounts. Having said that, it's also very
important to have these less important amounts, since they show the
willingness of the community to participate to the effort.
2. It's important to develop something new and to clearly state the
goal. I don't believe that it's possible to find (a lot of) money
only for maintenance, minor evolutions or bugfixing work. For minor
evolutions, the best is to make bilateral contracts on a case by
case basis.
3. The main issue that we encounter was legal. The problem is that
the jurisdiction of the countries don't take in account the way
OpenSource Communities are working. And, in addition, an OpenSource
community is not a legal entity, like the Project Steering Commitee
is not a legal entity. All the administrations need a clear,
contractual partner. It's not easy (from a legal perspective) to
simply make a donation. One way to solve that is to use "research
contracts".
4. In the past 2 or 3 years, we invested a lot of time in working
with other administrations (mainly in Switzerland with cities and
cantons) in order to explain them the benefits of working together
in OpenSource communities. This preparation work is crucial and the
result is that a part of the OpenLayers 3 funds is coming from these
entities.
Hope this helps,
Best regards,
Cédric
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Seven (aka Arnulf) <seven at arnulf.us
<mailto:seven at arnulf.us>> wrote:
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The "OL3 funding group" (for lack of a better name) did a really
good
job of promoting OL3 development and sponsorship, maybe they can
include Japanese reps into their activities and share results. Added
in CC for further follow-ups.
There is really good support for OL3 from SwissTopo, OSGB and I
believe also IGN France (in the order of 350k+) but not sure how
official all of this is, so cannot really say much else. The best
place to learn more about the OL3 sponsorship activities so far is
that group with reps from terrestris, OpenGeo and camptocamp.
Cheers,
Arnulf
On 03.01.2013 17:25, Jo Cook wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> What about the Ordnance Survey in the UK? They use OpenLayers as
> part of their "OpenSpace" mapping API
>
(http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/web-services/os-openspace/api/index.html)
>
>
so in theory are probably contributing to OL2 if not OL3. Arnulf
might
> have a better idea about this, in his new role with them.
>
> Jo
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Yves Jacolin <yjacolin at free.fr
<mailto:yjacolin at free.fr>
> <mailto:yjacolin at free.fr <mailto:yjacolin at free.fr>>> wrote:
>
> Hello Jeff,
>
> Thanks sharing this, this is indeed important as we want to do the
> same here in France: find support from official and governmental
> organism.
>
> I will try to find some examples in my side.
>
> Y.
>
>
> Le jeudi 3 janvier 2013 12:14:18 Jeff McKenna a écrit :
>> Hello Board and community,
>>
>> I did debate which mailing list to send this to
>> (board/discuss/marketing), but let's start here.
>>
>> I received a message from one of the OSGeo-Japan leaders
>> (Hayashi-san) pointing to an important recent blog entry from
>> another OSGeo-Japan leader (Mori-san, CEO of Orkney):
>> http://blog.goo.ne.jp/jg2tkh/e/b4e04c4da1f141c66f48b3bd5142c733
>>
>> I will try my best to summarize:
>>
>> - Orkney is a long-time contributor and sponsor for FOSS4G
>> projects - Mori-san is concerned that only his company is willing
>> to contribute to OpenLayers3 ("OL3") development in Japan, even
>> though many organizations will use OL3 - a large federal org
>> (Geospatial Information Authority, GSI, of
> Japan)
>> uses OpenLayers2 , but is so far not committed to helping OL3
> development
>> - Hayashi-san thinks sharing examples of other
> organizations/governments
>> who support FOSS4G/OSGeo Projects will help OSGeo-JP attract
>> contributions from local orgs like GSI
>>
>> Do we have such a page to point to? (yes this is a marketing
>> issue) e.g. case studies of organizations helping OSGeo Projects
>> grow
>>
>> (note that this is needed on my own website, so I don't pretend
>> to be the marketing expert, but I do realize it is SUPER
>> important)
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________ Board mailing
>> list Board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org>
<mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org>>
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>
>
>
>
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> Data integration and publishing platform
> <http://www.isharemaps.com/>
>
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