[Board] Proposal: OSGeo cover board member dinner expenses

Wed Sep 11 18:56:51 PDT 2013

Hi Paul,

I would not say that OSGeo is rich (define: rich), but we can definitely 
afford covering expenses for that dinner without any noticeable impact 
on our finances.

I would add that getting all board members face to face (independent of 
the OGC thing) is an investment in a stronger board and the return on 
this investment if we have a more efficient board as a result is going 
to be worth much more than the value of a meal.

For this reason I will +1 Cameron's proposals.

Now, I sure wish that the board had more time for a F2F together outside 
of this meeting with OGC. 1 hour for a F2F Friday morning will be very 
short but better than nothing I guess.

Daniel

On 13-09-11 7:07 PM, Paul Ramsey wrote:
> I think that buying board members dinner is something that rich foundations do, but not something that poor foundations do. Where is OSGeo in the continuum?
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> On Wednesday, 11 September, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>
>> I unfortunately won't be at FOSS4G, however I think that OSGeo should
>> cover expenses of board members doing board business. Dinner expenses
>> should be covered.
>>
>> As such,
>> I propose:
>> 1. That current board member' and ex-board member dinner expenses are
>> covered up to the cost of a 3 course meal and soft drinks. Alcoholic
>> drinks to be covered by board members.
>> +1 Cameron
>>
>> 2. Non board members are welcome to join the meeting, but will need to
>> cover their own expenses.
>> +1 Cameron
>>
>> On 11/09/2013 11:18 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>> I hope all Board (and interested community) members can give their
>>> advice here on this Board mailing list today.
>>>
>>> 13 OGC Board members, it is quite an opportunity. So far I have the
>>> following confirmed from OSGeo for this dinner:
>>>
>>> - Frank
>>> - Jachym
>>> - Anne
>>> - Ian
>>> - Suchith
>>> - myself
>>>
>>> Note that we must each select our meal choices to Jeremy by Friday.
>>>
>>> So maybe my original estimation of 8 from OSGeo is good for the reservation.
>>>
>>> Should we just pay our own ways?
>>>
>>> Looking for advice here. (note that this meetup has bounced around on
>>> people's plates and finally fallen on my lap, with many sending direct
>>> messages to me, so please speak publicly, as I am getting swamped)
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2013-09-10 2:41 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>> Forwarding to OSGeo Board. Board: we'll need to decide asap whether to
>>>> move forward, motion to approve use of funds, or not.
>>>>
>>>> -jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Plans for OGC/OSGeo Board meetup
>>>> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:26:18 +0100
>>>> From: Jeremy Morley <Jeremy.Morley at nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:Jeremy.Morley at nottingham.ac.uk)>
>>>> To: Debbie Greenslit <dgreenslit at opengeospatial.org (mailto:dgreenslit at opengeospatial.org)>, Suchith Anand
>>>> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk)>, Jeff McKenna
>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com (mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com)>, Ian Edwards
>>>> <ian.edwards at metoffice.gov.uk (mailto:ian.edwards at metoffice.gov.uk)>, Mark Iliffe <psxmi at nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:psxmi at nottingham.ac.uk)>
>>>> CC: Denise McKenzie <dmckenzie at opengeospatial.org (mailto:dmckenzie at opengeospatial.org)>, Steven Feldman
>>>> <steven at knowwhereconsulting.co.uk (mailto:steven at knowwhereconsulting.co.uk)>, "Mark E. Reichardt"
>>>> <mreichardt at opengeospatial.org (mailto:mreichardt at opengeospatial.org)>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear all, (would Jeff mind please forwarding to the OSGeo Board list),
>>>>
>>>> We're just over a week away from the joint OSGeo/OGC dinner. At present
>>>> the reservation is for 25 people - I understand that includes 13 from OGC
>>>> the last I heard.
>>>>
>>>> The restaurant have asked that diners please choose their courses in
>>>> advance, to be returned to them on Friday. I've attached the menu to this
>>>> email. Mark Iliffe (copied) will keep track and pass the list on to the
>>>> restaurant - please simply reply to him with your choices.
>>>>
>>>> At the moment I've not specifically ordered drinks (water, wine, etc.)
>>>> given the mix of who's paying for what, but can do if asked.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Based on the list we can also resize the reservation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>> Jeremy
>>>>
>>>> -- ------------------------------------------------------------ --
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>>>> Triumph Road, University of Nottingham. NG7 2TU, United Kingdom.
>>>> Web: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/ngi Twitter: jeremy_morley
>>>> Tel.: +44/0 115 84 68411
>>>> Email: jeremy.morley at nottingham.ac.uk (mailto:jeremy.morley at nottingham.ac.uk)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/09/2013 14:06, "Jeff McKenna" <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com (mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com)> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ian,
>>>>>
>>>>> You are encouraged to join, thanks, it will be great to have you there.
>>>>> I can even see you leading some of this discussion, as I can tell that
>>>>> you have passion for the OGC relationship. Please come along.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also Arnulf, can you make it to this on Wednesday night?
>>>>>
>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2013-09-10 9:58 AM, Ian Edwards wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assuming I can solicit an invitation... I would like to join you at the
>>>>>> joint OSGeo/OGC dinner (paying my own way of course).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The conference falls at an ideal time to reflect on OGC's Ideas4OGC
>>>>>> process[1], and I have a strong feeling that there are opportunities to
>>>>>> build on our 2008 MoU to the benefit of both communities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have a place holder for a BoF session early on Friday 20th to get
>>>>>> more open discussion and feedback[2], but one of the outcomes from
>>>>>> Wednesday evening may be that we would like to make use of other
>>>>>> opportunities during the FOSS4G week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian Edwards,
>>>>>> OSGeo UK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://external.opengeospatial.org/twiki_public/Ideas4OGC/LeaderShip
>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2013_BirdsOfAFeather#OGC.2FOSGeo_meet_u
>>>>>> p
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Jeff McKenna
>>>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jeremy, Board,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh ok, I didn't know that you are not on the Board list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I myself don't have a ticket for the ice breaker, so I am confirmed.
>>>>>> Including Daniel and Frank (emailed me directly), we'll likely have
>>>>>> between 4 and 8 OSGeo Board members there. I also want to include
>>>>>> Arnulf, who has been a constant driving force between uniting
>>>>>> OGC-OSGeo.
>>>>>> (Jachym, I'm not forgetting your potential inclusion either)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would say to reserve a table for 20 (12 OGC Board members, plus
>>>>>> roughly 8 OSGeo reps).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would then estimate a cost of roughly 35pounds each (inc a drink,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> tip), which would mean approx 1100 USD (or 550 USD each for OSGeo
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the OGC).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the Board is interested, I would make a motion to approve the
>>>>>> use of
>>>>>> $550 maximum for an OGC-OSGeo meetup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> General reaction by the Board?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As Daniel pointed out, there is already an OGC-OSGeo meetup planned
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> Friday morning (I was already confirmed for attending that):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2013_BirdsOfAFeather#OGC.2FOSGeo_meet_u
>>>>>> p
>>>>>> It could be that the OSGeo Board decides as a group to attend
>>>>>> that, and
>>>>>> not set aside funding for a separate meetup.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speak up as Jeremy needs our thoughts now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2013-09-03 8:21 PM, Jeremy Morley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note that I'm not on the board mailing list so it may be only you
>>>>>> who saw
>>>>>>> the original email - it may be useful to be able to post to the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> list for
>>>>>>> this conversation, otherwise please relay my messages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, yes, the current plan is that there's this relatively
>>>>>> formal
>>>>>>> get-together with the OGC board (12 of them, I think) at 7pm on
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Wednesday (18th) as a dinner in the hotel restaurant. The cost is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> £24/head
>>>>>>> for the three course meal, drinks additional, but including VAT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (our sales
>>>>>>> tax).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is the FOSS4G ice breaker at the same time - I don't know
>>>>>> (meaning I
>>>>>>> don't know, rather than "I don't think it is") if this is the sort
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> thing the OGC Board would want to attend. The OGC guys aren't
>>>>>>
>>>>>> registered
>>>>>>> at the conference generally (their meeting is separate on the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thursday)
>>>>>>> and so they'd have to buy ice breaker tickets (as would you guys).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There
>>>>>>> was also some suggestion of a half-way house of a drinks reception
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>> two (or three including AGI) groups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the end I'm pretty neutral about this. It seems to me that for
>>>>>> a formal
>>>>>>> "meeting of minds" such as this it does really need to be done in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a more
>>>>>>> private space than the ice breaker to allow discussion to properly
>>>>>>
>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>> The aim isn't just to party together is it? This seems to be the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sort of
>>>>>>> thing that board members of organisations are there for, for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> diplomatic
>>>>>>> talks with other organisations. It may therefore be something that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> one or
>>>>>>> both organisations or else their representative members have to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> stump up
>>>>>>> for - we may be able to find a cheaper menu if that's the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still, that's just my view. The bottom line is that the EMCC
>>>>>> event
>>>>>>> manager and I are running through all the bookings to confirm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> orders on
>>>>>>> Monday morning (British Summer Time) and I'll need to know by then
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> the confirmed plan is. At present I will stick with the meal plan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> unless
>>>>>>> told explicitly not to go ahead. I also need to have a reasonably
>>>>>>
>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> handle on the numbers attending too, please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With regards, thanks, and some trepidation at the nearness of it
>>>>>> all,
>>>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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