[Board] Board Digest, Vol 94, Issue 24
Steven Feldman
shfeldman at gmail.com
Thu Jul 17 07:15:27 PDT 2014
Sorry to be a rogue on this topic but I think there are strong reasons not to expect (or even allow) the president of the board to be a 4 year post:
It is unrealistic to expect many good candidate to step up to take on a demanding unpaid role for 4 years
Jeff and Arnulf have already expressed the challenges of balancing the day job (particularly when you are running a micro business) with the time needed to be an effective president, surely those challenges will become overwhelming in years 3 and 4?
Potentially a 4 year term implies a president’s agenda that the membership would find difficult to influence once the president had been elected
If I had a vote I would vote for a 2 year term (no more and no less) and with the possibility that a candidate for the presidency serves for 2 years on the board prior to standing for election so that there is some continuity at handover.
The role of president and that of the other board members could be made easier if we were able to support a permanent executive staff member who could carry some of the load.
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Steven
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> Portland) (Suchith Anand)
> 3. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland) (Bart van den Eijnden)
> 4. Meeting Reminder (today) (Jeff McKenna)
> 5. Re: Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in
> Portland) (Ravi Kumar)
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> From: Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
> Date: 17 July 2014 09:59:55 BST
> To: board at lists.osgeo.org
>
>
> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
>> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
>> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
>> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
>> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
>> Not good.
>>
>
> Hi Arnulf,
>
> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
> position. I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
> year term. And yes I fully agree. It takes time to figure out the
> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>
> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
> the community. I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>
> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
> work with him and our organizations.
>
> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
> (that's the best way I can say it).
>
> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
> have to ask for such things, to function as president. Thank you.
>
> Your friend,
>
> -jeff
>
> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
> she says hi too :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
> Date: 17 July 2014 10:17:16 BST
> To: Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>, "board at lists.osgeo.org" <board at lists.osgeo.org>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and grow into the role. Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.
>
> Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at FOSS4G-E , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider min. 4 year term. I am happy to see he is considering this.
>
> Suchith
>
>
> From: board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
> To: board at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
>
> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
>> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
>> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
>> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
>> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
>> Not good.
>>
>
> Hi Arnulf,
>
> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
> position. I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
> year term. And yes I fully agree. It takes time to figure out the
> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>
> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
> the community. I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>
> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
> work with him and our organizations.
>
> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
> (that's the best way I can say it).
>
> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
> have to ask for such things, to function as president. Thank you.
>
> Your friend,
>
> -jeff
>
> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
> she says hi too :)
>
>
>
>
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> From: Bart van den Eijnden <bartvde at osgis.nl>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
> Date: 17 July 2014 10:35:38 BST
> To: Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>
> Cc: "board at lists.osgeo.org" <board at lists.osgeo.org>
>
>
> I agree. I’d say 4 years is good for both min and max (so nothing less than 4, but also nothing more than 4 ideally).
>
> First step is for the (Charter Member) community to re-elect Jeff in the upcoming board elections. Then the board can vote him into presidency again.
>
> Best regards,
> Bart
>
> On 17 Jul 2014, at 11:17, Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and grow into the role. Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.
>>
>> Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at FOSS4G-E , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider min. 4 year term. I am happy to see he is considering this.
>>
>> Suchith
>>
>>
>> From: board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
>> To: board at lists.osgeo.org
>> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
>>
>> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
>>> Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
>>> one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
>>> Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
>>> one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
>>> burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
>>> Not good.
>>>
>>
>> Hi Arnulf,
>>
>> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
>> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
>> position. I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
>> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
>> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
>> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
>> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
>> year term. And yes I fully agree. It takes time to figure out the
>> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>>
>> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
>> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
>> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
>> the community. I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>>
>> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
>> work with him and our organizations.
>>
>> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
>> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
>> (that's the best way I can say it).
>>
>> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
>> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
>> have to ask for such things, to function as president. Thank you.
>>
>> Your friend,
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
>> she says hi too :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> From: Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
> Subject: [Board] Meeting Reminder (today)
> Date: 17 July 2014 10:47:13 BST
> To: osgeo-board List <board at lists.osgeo.org>
>
>
> A reminder for today's Board meeting
> (http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-07-17). It will be a
> mixture of face-to-face and IRC.
>
> -jeff
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> From: Ravi Kumar <ravivundavalli48 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
> Date: 17 July 2014 10:52:15 BST
> To: "board at lists.osgeo.org" <board at lists.osgeo.org>
> Reply-To: Ravi Kumar <ravivundavalli48 at yahoo.com>
>
>
> Hi Board,
> I also feel that a -4- year term is good for the OSGeo President
> to contribute substantially.
> OSGeo President, hardly stands a chance for a proverbial 'Burn Out',
>
> +1 for a Four year term for the OSGeo President.
> Cheers
> Ravi Kumar
>
>
> On Thursday, July 17, 2014 3:34 PM, Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> My humble suggestion is that President term should be min 4 year term . This is what many other organisations do as it takes time for people to learn and grow into the role. Having yearly changes is not good for the organisation.
>
> Jeff is doing an amazing role as President of OSGeo actively promoting us globally and providing strong leadership. I requested him when i met him at FOSS4G-E , if he is happy to continue as OSGeo President to please consider min. 4 year term. I am happy to see he is considering this.
>
> Suchith
>
>
> From: board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:59 AM
> To: board at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Board] Support fot OSGeo officers (Re: My attendance in Portland)
>
> On 2014-07-16, 10:07 AM, Seven (aka Arnulf) wrote:
> > Next: Yes, my business suffered a lot during my presidency. It is
> > one of the reasons why I think that the term should be limited.
> > Oher than Jeff I think that one year president elect followed by
> > one year full president is enough. There is nothing worse than
> > burning out your presidents and discarding them when they are done.
> > Not good.
> >
>
> Hi Arnulf,
>
> On your point about the length of term for OSGeo President I strongly
> disagree, and it is becoming more clear to me as I grow into the
> position. I had the pleasure of spending a lot of time privately
> recently with Georg Gartner (president ICA) and Chris Rizos (president
> Int Assoc Geodesy) on the road (sometimes there is no better way to
> get to know someone than to be in a foreign country with them, as you
> know), and I asked them their own opinions - both said adamantly, 4
> year term. And yes I fully agree. It takes time to figure out the
> role, build relationships, and make an impact.
>
> Even here at FOSS4G-E I was twice pulled aside by (very very
> prominent) community members and told/asked to stay on as president
> for a term like 4 or 5 years, as a stable face and representative of
> the community. I agree with them, but limited to 4 years.
>
> And for the record, Georg actually asked me to stay on that length, to
> work with him and our organizations.
>
> Those who witnessed my talks here at FOSS4G-E or at AfricaGEO recently
> also saw a different side of me - the president is actually emerging
> (that's the best way I can say it).
>
> I really appreciate you explaining the demands and assumptions of the
> position, this really helps to explain how 'awkward' it is for me to
> have to ask for such things, to function as president. Thank you.
>
> Your friend,
>
> -jeff
>
> PS. I am sitting outside now with Astrid in your beautiful country,
> she says hi too :)
>
>
>
>
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