[Board] Please review: Open Letter asking to avoid format fragmentation in LiDAR standards
Jeff McKenna
jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
Wed Apr 22 05:18:22 PDT 2015
Maybe I can spin this another way, and ask these media-passionate
community members to dedicate time to our OSGeo Marketing Committee.
Or, join OSGeo's @new_item group to help publish our news releases. I'd
like that to come out of this great news release we've seen this week.
-jeff
On 2015-04-22 9:15 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> Bart,
>
> I am referring to how Cameron pressured the OSGeo Board to respond to
> this before announcing, and then seeing that he contacted media directly
> beforehand. I/we spent good effort debating this as requested, only to
> see it flying around the media with Cameron quotes anyway. And I didn't
> even read a quote from Martin, that part was lost in the frenzy.
>
> -jeff
>
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> On 2015-04-22 9:01 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
>> Jeff,
>>
>> can you please clarify what you mean by "supporting a single person's
>> agenda” ?
>>
>> Are you referring to Martin here?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bart
>>
>>> On 22 Apr 2015, at 13:52, Jeff McKenna
>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Cameron, I personally don't appreciate supporting a single person's
>>> agenda, and was shocked yesterday to see strong quotes by you all
>>> over the media before the agreed time to release.
>>>
>>> I stand by my reaction.
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-04-21 8:59 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>> In answer to your questions about my motives and why I was quoted in
>>>> media:
>>>>
>>>> I feel passionately about the importance of Open Standards. I believe
>>>> they are fundamental to interoperability, go hand-in-glove with Open
>>>> Source.
>>>> When I watched the heated discussing about the injustice being applied
>>>> to LiDAR standards, as documented by Martin, I offered to help. I
>>>> helped in the writing and reviewing an Open Letter, along with Suchith,
>>>> Patrick and Martin. One of the things that Martin mentioned was that he
>>>> was having difficulty getting traction in the mass media. I have
>>>> contacts in the Australian IT media, and offered to make use of those
>>>> to get the story out.
>>>>
>>>> I think you are asking why I was quoted in the media and not you?
>>>> 1. I contacted them.
>>>> 2. I helped write the Open Letter [1] and worked with people who
>>>> provided feedback. I also wrote follow up blog post [2], which makes it
>>>> easy for an author to quote someone.
>>>> 3. I'm local (in Australia) and local media like to quote locals.
>>>> 4. Martin was quoted as well.
>>>> 5. Jeff, you might not have been contacted because I pointed the
>>>> Australian IT author to the board email list, where you might remember
>>>> the board was slow (in media time) to respond to a request for board
>>>> support for the Open Letter, and when you first responded, you were
>>>> initially hesitant about supporting the Open Letter.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a little hurt and disappointed that the OSGeo President would find
>>>> it "disturbing" that a local OSGeo member was quoted in local media. I
>>>> feel like local efforts are not being supported?
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
>>>> [2]
>>>> http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2015/04/esris-claim-at-being-good-standards.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 22/04/2015 12:43 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>> Did you give the media a heads-up on this? I'm really not
>>>>> understanding where all this pressure is coming from (you would think
>>>>> I would be getting requests directly, nope none). Maybe you can
>>>>> explain how all that part has happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Martin's role in this is clear, but your own personal role in this is
>>>>> unclear to me, maybe you can shed some light on this here for
>>>>> everyone)
>>>>>
>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-04-21 11:38 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>>> That said Cameron, I would like to know why media outlets are
>>>>>> contacting
>>>>>> you directly regarding this. I just read "Australian software
>>>>>> developer
>>>>>> Cameron Shorter, the local chair of the not-for-profit OSGeo
>>>>>> Foundation,
>>>>>> says...". Is this because you are blogging about this issue? This
>>>>>> part
>>>>>> of it all is a little disturbing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-04-20 9:37 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>>> Thank you Jeff.
>>>>>>> I'm hopeful other board members will also express their opinions and
>>>>>>> vote on the motion as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers Cameron.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 21/04/2015 9:32 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ok my last message on this; on doing some more thinking, it is as
>>>>>>>> Cameron said too late to change how the letter is written. So it
>>>>>>>> tackles Esri, OGC, and ASPRS head-on (I guess this is why myself
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> others were voted onto the OSGeo Board). I can see Martin's face
>>>>>>>> looking at me and hear him saying with a smirk 'come on'. I am
>>>>>>>> therefore +1, after saying all that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry for speaking up so loudly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And thanks to Martin for all his thankless work. Special thanks to
>>>>>>>> mpg for his private thoughts to the OSGeo Board today as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cameron thanks to you also, for letting me speak on this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good night everyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-20 7:51 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think you used the correct term, where an open letter could
>>>>>>>>> be made
>>>>>>>>> using that term "owner" or "developer" and avoid pointing direct
>>>>>>>>> fingers, and then for more background information link to the
>>>>>>>>> excellent
>>>>>>>>> explanation by Martin ("clone wars" blog post). As it is now the
>>>>>>>>> letter
>>>>>>>>> attacks Esri directly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess I could be the only one who feels this way, in which
>>>>>>>>> case I
>>>>>>>>> would not hold the letter back (I am only one person in this huge
>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>> community). So don't worry I'm not planning to hold it back.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> K I'm being quiet now ha :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-20 6:18 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Do other members of the board share Jeff's opinion? Please
>>>>>>>>>> speak up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm in an awkward situation. We have 70+ OSGeo community
>>>>>>>>>> members who
>>>>>>>>>> have signed this Open Letter, expecting it to be delivered as we
>>>>>>>>>> said we
>>>>>>>>>> would.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you wish to see the background (story) moved to another
>>>>>>>>>> page, eg
>>>>>>>>>> blog, we could do that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff, I understand that you don’t want the letter delivered
>>>>>>>>>> unless the
>>>>>>>>>> word “Esri” removed? I’d argue to the they thing needing
>>>>>>>>>> changing is
>>>>>>>>>> that the owner of “Optimized LAS” publish as an open format.
>>>>>>>>>> So the
>>>>>>>>>> letter needs to be delivered to Esri. Is this a point you'd be
>>>>>>>>>> prepared
>>>>>>>>>> to accept being included in an Open Letter?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Cameron
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2015 3:52 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Cameron,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I personally feel topics like "the story" as you mention are for
>>>>>>>>>>> places like blogs, which I believe Martin documented very well
>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>> (I've retweeted his post months ago). What I see here on
>>>>>>>>>>> this wiki
>>>>>>>>>>> page is the story re-written again. I have a difficult time
>>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>>>> officially supporting this story with my OSGeo Board hat on
>>>>>>>>>>> though, as
>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't add anything more (throws salt on the wound, so to
>>>>>>>>>>> speak).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to see the OSGeo Board in fact support a request
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> LiDAR standards, and leave out this unfortunate "story".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-20 12:35 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We did address specific comments (similar to yours) during the
>>>>>>>>>>>> request
>>>>>>>>>>>> for comment phase, before we asked for signatures.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Now that we have asked for signatures (for the last week or
>>>>>>>>>>>> so), it
>>>>>>>>>>>> is inappropriate of us to change the text that people have
>>>>>>>>>>>> signed up
>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. I do acknowledge your concerns about directly singling
>>>>>>>>>>>> out one
>>>>>>>>>>>> vendor, and I initially tried writing the story without
>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioning
>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, this one vendor is so central to the format
>>>>>>>>>>>> fragmentation
>>>>>>>>>>>> story that it is difficult to tell the story and be specific
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> request without mentioning them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. I'm also mindful that the story has already been breaking on
>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>> spatial media for a while now (one of the features of open
>>>>>>>>>>>> communication), and mass media is likely to break the story
>>>>>>>>>>>> soon -
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>> estimate within 12 to 48 hours. In that timeframe, I personally
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> have the time for a rewrite.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So unfortunately, for these 3 reasons, I think it
>>>>>>>>>>>> inappropriate to
>>>>>>>>>>>> rewrite this Open Letter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff, I think you have made your vote clear, but can you please
>>>>>>>>>>>> officially vote +1, +0, 0, -0, -1 to these 2 proposals. Can the
>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the board please do so also as we need to decide whether the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mass
>>>>>>>>>>>> media
>>>>>>>>>>>> report on this story with or without OSGeo board endorsement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Cameron
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2015 12:59 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Cameron,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In terms of my own feedback to your letter (I cannot speak for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> entire OSGeo Board), I would prefer to remove any reference to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific company or institution (such as Esri), and focus the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> goal of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the letter (as opposed to a flame war) on the needs for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> LiDAR data. As this page is written now, it is not a surprise
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that media outlets are drooling over this letter. But what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out of that, other than upsetting a large geospatial
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vendor in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our ecosystem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I have spoken to Martin about this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> face-to-face, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a presentation he did on this exact topic at FOSS4G-Asia in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> December (I moderated his session, small world sometimes isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it); it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a frustrating situation that he was put through, and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, since you are asking the OSGeo Board now, I cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an attack against one organization formally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Short story: can you reword your wiki/letter to focus on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the LiDAR format, and not attack one organization?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-20 11:28 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As Bart mentioned,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * After initially being written, the letter was sent to OSGeo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, asking for review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Suchith sent to OGC TC-Discuss list for review, and ESRI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * After ~ 1 week for review, the letter was forwarded to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OSGeo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a few others, asking for signatures (we have ~ 70
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signatures,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing every day)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * As per this email thread below, I've asked OSGeo board's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approval to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> officially present this letter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Today I've had inquiries from mass media. I've asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on breaking the story until the board gives approval to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> officially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present the letter, which will add extra weight to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't publish today, but may publish in 12 to 48 hours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organisations have a strong desire to be the first to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publish).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So now the board has had time to consider, can you please all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following 2 proposals:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I request the board support an OSGeo Community developed Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Letter aimed at protecting open LiDAR standards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposal 1: The OSGeo Board agree to include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement (or similar wording) into the letter:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> = Cover Letter from the OSGeo Board =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The board of the [http://osgeo.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://osgeo.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source Geospatial Foundation] (OSGeo) is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presenting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter to the OGC, ESRI and ASPRS. The letter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerns about fragmentation in LiDAR standards from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people within the OSGeo community. As always, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything the OSGeo board can do to help, then please
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Signed: <OSGeo Board Members>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposal 2:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once the letter has completed the signature phase,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be emailed from the OSGeo President to key people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organisations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Reichardt <mreichardt AT opengeospatial.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://opengeospatial.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://opengeospatial.org>>, OSGeo President
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Danko <DDanko AT esri.com <http://esri.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://esri.com>>, ESRI's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Consultant for GIS Standards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen D. DeGloria < sdd4 AT cornell.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://cornell.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://cornell.edu>>, President of the ASPRS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/04/2015 10:50 pm, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this was sent to discuss 1 week ago [1]. It has also been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sent to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OGC TC-Discuss list where Esri has even responded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-April/014137.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 Apr 2015, at 14:44, Jeff McKenna
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would be good Maxi, as my concern is getting community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before the Board reviews such a request.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has this letter been sent yet to the general OSGeo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> review? (the Discuss list) I think it is great that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Standards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group reviewed it, maybe now it is ready for the general
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OSGeo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-20 6:18 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thare are interesting discussions running on the italian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chapter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be nice if someone could wrap-up a short
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> summary of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could do it in the next days if none is available.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maxi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-04-20 10:30 GMT+02:00 Jachym Cepicky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm fine with that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pá 17. 4. 2015 v 8:56 odesílatel Bart van den Eijnden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>> napsal:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello board,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do people still need time to comment on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call for a motion on this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2015, at 13:52, Cameron Shorter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi OSGeo Board,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I request the board support an OSGeo Community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Letter aimed at protecting open LiDAR standards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposal 1: The OSGeo Board agree to include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement (or similar wording) into the letter:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> = Cover Letter from the OSGeo Board =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The board of the [http://osgeo.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://osgeo.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source Geospatial Foundation] (OSGeo) is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presenting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter to the OGC, ESRI and ASPRS. The letter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerns about fragmentation in LiDAR standards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people within the OSGeo community. As always, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything the OSGeo board can do to help, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Signed: <OSGeo Board Members>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposal 2:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once the letter has completed the signature phase,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be emailed from the OSGeo President to key people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organisations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Reichardt <mreichardt AT opengeospatial.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://opengeospatial.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://opengeospatial.org>>, OSGeo President
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Danko <DDanko AT esri.com <http://esri.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://esri.com>>, ESRI's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Consultant for GIS Standards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen D. DeGloria < sdd4 AT cornell.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://cornell.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://cornell.edu>>, President of the ASPRS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/04/2015 12:14 pm, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A number of us have been collaboratively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developing an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Letter asking key stakeholders to avoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fragmentation in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LiDAR standards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It starts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /We, the undersigned, are concerned that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interoperability between LiDAR applications,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the open "LAS" format, is being threatened by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ESRI's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> introduction and promotion of an alternative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Optimized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LAS"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proprietary format. This is of concern since the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fragmentation of the LAS format will lead to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reduced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interoperability between applications and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organisations, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> introduce vendor lock-in./
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could all interested please:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Review and provide feedback to this standards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If you agree with the letter, please add your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Signed" section
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cameron Shorter,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Software and Data Solutions Manager
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LISAsoft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P +61 2 9009 5000, Wwww.lisasoft.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://Wwww.lisasoft.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.lisasoft.com/>, F
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +61 2
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