[Board] Please review: Open Letter asking to avoid format fragmentation in LiDAR standards
Jeff McKenna
jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
Wed Apr 22 05:15:10 PDT 2015
Bart,
I am referring to how Cameron pressured the OSGeo Board to respond to
this before announcing, and then seeing that he contacted media directly
beforehand. I/we spent good effort debating this as requested, only to
see it flying around the media with Cameron quotes anyway. And I didn't
even read a quote from Martin, that part was lost in the frenzy.
-jeff
On 2015-04-22 9:01 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
> Jeff,
>
> can you please clarify what you mean by "supporting a single person's agenda” ?
>
> Are you referring to Martin here?
>
> Best regards,
> Bart
>
>> On 22 Apr 2015, at 13:52, Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:
>>
>> Cameron, I personally don't appreciate supporting a single person's agenda, and was shocked yesterday to see strong quotes by you all over the media before the agreed time to release.
>>
>> I stand by my reaction.
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2015-04-21 8:59 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> In answer to your questions about my motives and why I was quoted in media:
>>>
>>> I feel passionately about the importance of Open Standards. I believe
>>> they are fundamental to interoperability, go hand-in-glove with Open
>>> Source.
>>> When I watched the heated discussing about the injustice being applied
>>> to LiDAR standards, as documented by Martin, I offered to help. I
>>> helped in the writing and reviewing an Open Letter, along with Suchith,
>>> Patrick and Martin. One of the things that Martin mentioned was that he
>>> was having difficulty getting traction in the mass media. I have
>>> contacts in the Australian IT media, and offered to make use of those
>>> to get the story out.
>>>
>>> I think you are asking why I was quoted in the media and not you?
>>> 1. I contacted them.
>>> 2. I helped write the Open Letter [1] and worked with people who
>>> provided feedback. I also wrote follow up blog post [2], which makes it
>>> easy for an author to quote someone.
>>> 3. I'm local (in Australia) and local media like to quote locals.
>>> 4. Martin was quoted as well.
>>> 5. Jeff, you might not have been contacted because I pointed the
>>> Australian IT author to the board email list, where you might remember
>>> the board was slow (in media time) to respond to a request for board
>>> support for the Open Letter, and when you first responded, you were
>>> initially hesitant about supporting the Open Letter.
>>>
>>> I'm a little hurt and disappointed that the OSGeo President would find
>>> it "disturbing" that a local OSGeo member was quoted in local media. I
>>> feel like local efforts are not being supported?
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
>>> [2]
>>> http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2015/04/esris-claim-at-being-good-standards.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22/04/2015 12:43 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>> Did you give the media a heads-up on this? I'm really not
>>>> understanding where all this pressure is coming from (you would think
>>>> I would be getting requests directly, nope none). Maybe you can
>>>> explain how all that part has happened.
>>>>
>>>> (Martin's role in this is clear, but your own personal role in this is
>>>> unclear to me, maybe you can shed some light on this here for everyone)
>>>>
>>>> -jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-04-21 11:38 AM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>> That said Cameron, I would like to know why media outlets are contacting
>>>>> you directly regarding this. I just read "Australian software developer
>>>>> Cameron Shorter, the local chair of the not-for-profit OSGeo Foundation,
>>>>> says...". Is this because you are blogging about this issue? This part
>>>>> of it all is a little disturbing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-04-20 9:37 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>> Thank you Jeff.
>>>>>> I'm hopeful other board members will also express their opinions and
>>>>>> vote on the motion as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers Cameron.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21/04/2015 9:32 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>>>> Ok my last message on this; on doing some more thinking, it is as
>>>>>>> Cameron said too late to change how the letter is written. So it
>>>>>>> tackles Esri, OGC, and ASPRS head-on (I guess this is why myself and
>>>>>>> others were voted onto the OSGeo Board). I can see Martin's face
>>>>>>> looking at me and hear him saying with a smirk 'come on'. I am
>>>>>>> therefore +1, after saying all that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry for speaking up so loudly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And thanks to Martin for all his thankless work. Special thanks to
>>>>>>> mpg for his private thoughts to the OSGeo Board today as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cameron thanks to you also, for letting me speak on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good night everyone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-04-20 7:51 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think you used the correct term, where an open letter could be made
>>>>>>>> using that term "owner" or "developer" and avoid pointing direct
>>>>>>>> fingers, and then for more background information link to the
>>>>>>>> excellent
>>>>>>>> explanation by Martin ("clone wars" blog post). As it is now the
>>>>>>>> letter
>>>>>>>> attacks Esri directly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess I could be the only one who feels this way, in which case I
>>>>>>>> would not hold the letter back (I am only one person in this huge
>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>> community). So don't worry I'm not planning to hold it back.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> K I'm being quiet now ha :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-20 6:18 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Do other members of the board share Jeff's opinion? Please speak up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm in an awkward situation. We have 70+ OSGeo community members who
>>>>>>>>> have signed this Open Letter, expecting it to be delivered as we
>>>>>>>>> said we
>>>>>>>>> would.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you wish to see the background (story) moved to another page, eg
>>>>>>>>> blog, we could do that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jeff, I understand that you don’t want the letter delivered
>>>>>>>>> unless the
>>>>>>>>> word “Esri” removed? I’d argue to the they thing needing changing is
>>>>>>>>> that the owner of “Optimized LAS” publish as an open format. So the
>>>>>>>>> letter needs to be delivered to Esri. Is this a point you'd be
>>>>>>>>> prepared
>>>>>>>>> to accept being included in an Open Letter?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Cameron
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2015 3:52 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Cameron,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I personally feel topics like "the story" as you mention are for
>>>>>>>>>> places like blogs, which I believe Martin documented very well
>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>> (I've retweeted his post months ago). What I see here on this wiki
>>>>>>>>>> page is the story re-written again. I have a difficult time though
>>>>>>>>>> officially supporting this story with my OSGeo Board hat on
>>>>>>>>>> though, as
>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't add anything more (throws salt on the wound, so to
>>>>>>>>>> speak).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would like to see the OSGeo Board in fact support a request for
>>>>>>>>>> LiDAR standards, and leave out this unfortunate "story".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-20 12:35 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>> We did address specific comments (similar to yours) during the
>>>>>>>>>>> request
>>>>>>>>>>> for comment phase, before we asked for signatures.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Now that we have asked for signatures (for the last week or
>>>>>>>>>>> so), it
>>>>>>>>>>> is inappropriate of us to change the text that people have
>>>>>>>>>>> signed up
>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. I do acknowledge your concerns about directly singling out one
>>>>>>>>>>> vendor, and I initially tried writing the story without mentioning
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, this one vendor is so central to the format
>>>>>>>>>>> fragmentation
>>>>>>>>>>> story that it is difficult to tell the story and be specific about
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> request without mentioning them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. I'm also mindful that the story has already been breaking on
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> spatial media for a while now (one of the features of open
>>>>>>>>>>> communication), and mass media is likely to break the story soon -
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>>>> estimate within 12 to 48 hours. In that timeframe, I personally
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> have the time for a rewrite.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So unfortunately, for these 3 reasons, I think it inappropriate to
>>>>>>>>>>> rewrite this Open Letter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff, I think you have made your vote clear, but can you please
>>>>>>>>>>> officially vote +1, +0, 0, -0, -1 to these 2 proposals. Can the
>>>>>>>>>>> rest of
>>>>>>>>>>> the board please do so also as we need to decide whether the mass
>>>>>>>>>>> media
>>>>>>>>>>> report on this story with or without OSGeo board endorsement.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, Cameron
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2015 12:59 am, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Cameron,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In terms of my own feedback to your letter (I cannot speak for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> entire OSGeo Board), I would prefer to remove any reference to
>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>> specific company or institution (such as Esri), and focus the
>>>>>>>>>>>> goal of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the letter (as opposed to a flame war) on the needs for standards
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> LiDAR data. As this page is written now, it is not a surprise
>>>>>>>>>>>> to me
>>>>>>>>>>>> that media outlets are drooling over this letter. But what good
>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> come out of that, other than upsetting a large geospatial
>>>>>>>>>>>> vendor in
>>>>>>>>>>>> our ecosystem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I have spoken to Martin about this face-to-face, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>>>>>>> at a presentation he did on this exact topic at FOSS4G-Asia in
>>>>>>>>>>>> December (I moderated his session, small world sometimes isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> it); it
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a frustrating situation that he was put through, and I support
>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>> though this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But, since you are asking the OSGeo Board now, I cannot support
>>>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>>>> an attack against one organization formally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Short story: can you reword your wiki/letter to focus on
>>>>>>>>>>>> standards for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the LiDAR format, and not attack one organization?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-20 11:28 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As Bart mentioned,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * After initially being written, the letter was sent to OSGeo
>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list, asking for review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Suchith sent to OGC TC-Discuss list for review, and ESRI
>>>>>>>>>>>>> responded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * After ~ 1 week for review, the letter was forwarded to OSGeo
>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a few others, asking for signatures (we have ~ 70
>>>>>>>>>>>>> signatures,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing every day)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * As per this email thread below, I've asked OSGeo board's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> approval to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> officially present this letter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Today I've had inquiries from mass media. I've asked them to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on breaking the story until the board gives approval to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> officially
>>>>>>>>>>>>> present the letter, which will add extra weight to the letter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't publish today, but may publish in 12 to 48 hours. (Media
>>>>>>>>>>>>> organisations have a strong desire to be the first to publish).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So now the board has had time to consider, can you please all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> following 2 proposals:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I request the board support an OSGeo Community developed Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Letter aimed at protecting open LiDAR standards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposal 1: The OSGeo Board agree to include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement (or similar wording) into the letter:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> = Cover Letter from the OSGeo Board =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The board of the [http://osgeo.org <http://osgeo.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source Geospatial Foundation] (OSGeo) is presenting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter to the OGC, ESRI and ASPRS. The letter highlights
>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerns about fragmentation in LiDAR standards from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people within the OSGeo community. As always, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything the OSGeo board can do to help, then please
>>>>>>>>>>>>> let us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Signed: <OSGeo Board Members>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposal 2:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once the letter has completed the signature phase, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be emailed from the OSGeo President to key people within
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> organisations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Reichardt <mreichardt AT opengeospatial.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://opengeospatial.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://opengeospatial.org>>, OSGeo President
>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Danko <DDanko AT esri.com <http://esri.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://esri.com>>, ESRI's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Consultant for GIS Standards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen D. DeGloria < sdd4 AT cornell.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://cornell.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://cornell.edu>>, President of the ASPRS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/04/2015 10:50 pm, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this was sent to discuss 1 week ago [1]. It has also been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sent to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OGC TC-Discuss list where Esri has even responded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-April/014137.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 Apr 2015, at 14:44, Jeff McKenna
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would be good Maxi, as my concern is getting community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feedback
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before the Board reviews such a request.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has this letter been sent yet to the general OSGeo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> review? (the Discuss list) I think it is great that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Standards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group reviewed it, maybe now it is ready for the general OSGeo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-04-20 6:18 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thare are interesting discussions running on the italian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chapter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be nice if someone could wrap-up a short summary of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could do it in the next days if none is available.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maxi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-04-20 10:30 GMT+02:00 Jachym Cepicky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm fine with that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pá 17. 4. 2015 v 8:56 odesílatel Bart van den Eijnden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bartvde at osgis.nl <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>> napsal:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello board,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do people still need time to comment on the letter or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call for a motion on this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2015, at 13:52, Cameron Shorter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi OSGeo Board,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I request the board support an OSGeo Community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Letter aimed at protecting open LiDAR standards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposal 1: The OSGeo Board agree to include the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement (or similar wording) into the letter:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> = Cover Letter from the OSGeo Board =
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The board of the [http://osgeo.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://osgeo.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source Geospatial Foundation] (OSGeo) is presenting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter to the OGC, ESRI and ASPRS. The letter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> highlights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerns about fragmentation in LiDAR standards from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people within the OSGeo community. As always, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything the OSGeo board can do to help, then please
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Signed: <OSGeo Board Members>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposal 2:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once the letter has completed the signature phase,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be emailed from the OSGeo President to key people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organisations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Reichardt <mreichardt AT opengeospatial.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://opengeospatial.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://opengeospatial.org>>, OSGeo President
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Danko <DDanko AT esri.com <http://esri.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://esri.com>>, ESRI's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Consultant for GIS Standards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen D. DeGloria < sdd4 AT cornell.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://cornell.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://cornell.edu>>, President of the ASPRS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/04/2015 12:14 pm, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A number of us have been collaboratively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developing an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Letter asking key stakeholders to avoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fragmentation in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LiDAR standards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It starts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /We, the undersigned, are concerned that the current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interoperability between LiDAR applications, through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the open "LAS" format, is being threatened by ESRI's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> introduction and promotion of an alternative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Optimized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LAS"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proprietary format. This is of concern since the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fragmentation of the LAS format will lead to reduced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interoperability between applications and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organisations, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> introduce vendor lock-in./
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could all interested please:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Review and provide feedback to this standards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If you agree with the letter, please add your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Signed" section
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cameron Shorter,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Software and Data Solutions Manager
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LISAsoft
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
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