[Board] Board Digest, Vol 107, Issue 30
Jeff McKenna
jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
Mon Aug 31 08:36:07 PDT 2015
Hi Eli,
I must admit, your message resonates strongly with me, as I was pushing
the same thing to the OSGeo Board back in 2011. FOSS4G is super
important to OSGeo, and it needs to taken seriously; which is why I
proposed a part-time position in 2011 to manage FOSS4G (including sites
visits) to the OSGeo Board. Someone to work closely with each local
committee. I predict that one day the OSGeo Board will use that
proposal, that job description that is still on the wiki (it is to date
the proudest moment in my career, yet most would call that an utter
failure). Since then I learned that the FOSSGIS committee did exactly
that: hire a part-time person for these consistent needs.
We went on to lose 2012, and here are are again, 4 years after the 2011
proposal and I see this is coming to a head again.
These days I am still behind the scenes (ask Sanghee and Till), nothing
is changed that way, my FOSS4G passion is as strong as ever, so I do
what I can, but now I have switched visible gears from the OSGeo
Conference Committee, to the OSGeo Board; could the OSGeo Conference
Committee again make a strong stand to the OSGeo Board for more focus on
FOSS4G? Definitely. The groundwork is already there from 2011.
-jeff
On 2015-08-31 12:11 PM, Eli Adam wrote:
> Hi Maxi,
>
> It is great that you are taking your Board responsibilities seriously.
> FOSS4G is OSGeo's primary income. Viewing a pie chart of OSGeo income
> since founding might compel others to take FOSS4G more seriously.
> Someone could compile that data and present it, maybe more people
> would take FOSS4G more seriously then.
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:59 AM, Massimiliano Cannata
> <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch> wrote:
>> Bart,
>> If a motion is vetoed, and it cannot be revised to satisfy all parties, then
>> it can be resubmitted for an override vote, in which a majority of all Board
>> members indicating +1 is required to pass it.
>>
>> To me it means that a dialogue shall happen and information as required
>> shall be provided.
>
> Yes, a dialogue should happen with the intention of satisfying all
> parties. (I think Bart's point is that there is no point in other
> Board members voting since already all parties are not satisfied).
>
> I don't agree with your suggestion that "and information as required
> shall be provided." OSGeo has no employees and no one to order to
> provide information. Furthermore, OSGeo is culturally and
> functionally a do-ocracy. So if you want this information provided
> and no one else wants to provide it to you, it is your decision to
> undertake finding it yourself or deciding that you don't actually want
> the information. I gave some earlier links with part of the
> information and suggestions of where you could find this information.
> I haven't seen you undertake finding additional information or adding
> what I linked to to the wiki, like here,
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G#Overview_of_past_conferences_and_attendances.
> With some effort I have found additional information, Here is part of
> the 2007 information that you are requesting,
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2013-July/002249.html.
> 2009 is in that thread too. 2008 too. If someone wants, they can
> compile this information in a logical manner somewhere that you and
> future Boards can easily reference and use for important FOSS4G
> decisions, or it can just go into the mailing list archives. Who do
> you think should answer your questions and provide information?
>
>
>> Not that each not passed motion can be resubmitted the day later without
>> providing answers and just aiming to pass based on majority.
>>
>> I'm still looking forward for answers to my concerns and motivation to pass
>> the motion as requested.
>
> I think that on the historical information, you are the most likely
> source for this information. Asking the current or formers treasurers
> to help might get you some additional information. For the other
> information (estimates for 2016 from Till), I think that Till has
> provided most or all of that.
>
> With sincere cooperation, Eli
>
>
>>
>> Maxi
>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-08-31 13:48 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden <bartvde at osgis.nl>:
>>>
>>> Looking at our voting rules:
>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Voting_Procedure
>>>
>>> Are we now in the phase of: "
>>>
>>> If a motion is vetoed, and it cannot be revised to satisfy all parties,
>>> then it can be resubmitted for an override vote, in which a majority of all
>>> Board members indicating +1 is required to pass it.
>>>
>>> “
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Otherwise the other board members voting makes no difference Maxi, since
>>> you’ve already vetoed the motion.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Bart
>>>
>>> On 31 Aug 2015, at 13:34, Massimiliano Cannata
>>> <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Till and Adams,
>>> first of all thanks for your contribution to the discussion.
>>>
>>> I have to say that I don't like to be in the position of feeling myself
>>> responsible for the eventual failure of the FOSS4G 2016, nor I like it could
>>> be ever argued.
>>>
>>> I just want also to make a few notes:
>>>
>>> as stated at the beginning of the FOSS4G handbook
>>> (http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook): It is a continuous work in
>>> progress and is a guide rather than a rulebook.
>>> formally, not all of the OSGeo members in place have still voted, so the
>>> motion is still open and no decision can be taken
>>> my vote is motivated and raised some arguments that has not been answered
>>> yet
>>>
>>> I have some questions then:
>>>
>>> instead of claiming for the point-of-no-return does anybody took time to
>>> put together the requested information to help taking a decision on that?
>>> (how goes in numbers in past events on revenue, guarantee, etc...?)
>>> Why this decision cannot be postponed to the new board? Is one month
>>> lethal? Why?
>>> If OSGeo state that it will provide financial support without specifying a
>>> limit, does it mean that any amount is admitted?
>>>
>>> Maxi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-08-31 12:25 GMT+02:00 Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Till,
>>>>
>>>> The call for proposals states that OSGeo will provide financial support,
>>>> it does not place a limit on that support, nor does it require a detailed
>>>> risk review as part of a proposal. the Bonn team bid on that basis. We
>>>> should not change our position part way through. It has been suggested that
>>>> a detailed risk assessment and statement of anticipated financing and
>>>> guarantees is included in the proposals for future events and that will be
>>>> the case for 2017 bids.
>>>>
>>>> Till has provided us with a well considered conservative estimate of
>>>> ‘worst case’ financing needs, we have the funds to support him (they
>>>> probably won’t be needed). Let’s give Bonn the support they have asked for
>>>> and deserve to deliver a successful FOSS4G 2016.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 31 Aug 2015, at 11:17, till.adams at fossgis.de wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Maxi,
>>>>
>>>> the 100k were not named in the proposal. There was no request for a "risk
>>>> analysis" foreseen in the requirements for our proposal. For further
>>>> proposals I brought that into conference-committee, so it should be part of
>>>> proposals in future.
>>>>
>>>> Our proposal was based on the sentence in OSGeo-WIKI, where clearly was
>>>> stated, that OSGeo will backup LOC's. This part is changed now after this
>>>> discussion started:
>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Guarantees
>>>>
>>>> In general everybody might have seen, that we calculated very, very
>>>> careful. That's the only thing I could do in advance. For instance, we only
>>>> calculated with a sponsorship of 40k, which very likely will be much higher.
>>>>
>>>> I agree, that somebody must decide over such an amount of money, in our
>>>> case the board. But the board is still in duty.
>>>>
>>>> I think, OSGeo should not start to give liability only partwise. As lined
>>>> out earlier this morning - if OSGeo won't backup the required amount, LOC's
>>>> get in a situation, where it is difficult to explain, why OSGeo should get
>>>> the total outcome. This also leads very quickly to the situation, that LOC's
>>>> seek for other opportunities. And there are PCO's that offer this full
>>>> liability (I negotiated to choose such one). On the other side, they take
>>>> out most of the outcome as well, that's the deal.
>>>> In my eyes, the situation, if OSGeo can't get full liability will lead to
>>>> less income from FOSS4G events for OSGeo in general, as everybody organizing
>>>> a FOSS4G wants to have financial backup.
>>>>
>>>> Just my thoughts,
>>>> Till
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 2015-08-29 08:08, schrieb Massimiliano Cannata:
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>> Thanks for you contribution to the discussion.
>>>>
>>>> I disagree with Steven.
>>>>
>>>> I think the osgeo board is the only body that can take decisions on
>>>> this amount of OSGeo money.
>>>>
>>>> If this 100k was a condition included in the Bonn proposal, than it
>>>> was an error select it without a vote from the board on this.
>>>>
>>>> If this 100k is a souce of risk for FOSS4G happening
>>>> (point-of-no-return) it should be clearly stated in the proposal and
>>>> it should have been an element of evaluation. Again, the board shall
>>>> have been informed and asked to take a position.
>>>>
>>>> If this 100k is such a big souce of risk it should have a mitigation
>>>> action programmed.
>>>>
>>>> As i see, it is a matter of democracy and rules. OSGeo boad is
>>>> elected by OSGeo charter members to take decisions wisely in name of
>>>> the community.
>>>>
>>>> I feel this is my role now and it is not that i want to be
>>>> disctruptive but as i feel it is an important motion i want to have a
>>>> clear picture of the past and a clear definition on rules.
>>>>
>>>> It is not only discussing and taking decision on single item and
>>>> situation the role of the board.
>>>> it should also be discuss, set-up and change rules so that motions
>>>> fall in or out of agreed rules so that decision can be taken.
>>>>
>>>> This is my view of things.
>>>>
>>>> Maxi
>>>> Il 28/Ago/2015 22:32, "Steven Feldman" <shfeldman at gmail.com [109]> ha
>>>> scritto:
>>>>
>>>> I disagree with Maxi’s proposal
>>>>
>>>> We have a profile of exposure from Till. We need to provide them
>>>> with a guarantee for up to €100k including the seed advance. This
>>>> should not be a negotiation between OSGeo and the LOC, it should be
>>>> based on the extent of exposure at different stages before we get
>>>> tot he ‘point of no return
>>>>
>>>> ______
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>> On 28 Aug 2015, at 18:18, board-request at lists.osgeo.org [94]
>>>> wrote:
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>>>> 1. Re: Motion: provide seed funding to FOSS4G 2016 team
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>>>> (Massimiliano Cannata)
>>>>
>>>> FROM: Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com [99]>
>>>>
>>>> SUBJECT: RE: [BOARD] MOTION: PROVIDE SEED FUNDING TO FOSS4G 2016
>>>> TEAM
>>>>
>>>> DATE: 28 August 2015 18:14:46 BST
>>>>
>>>> TO: OSGeo Board <board at lists.osgeo.org [100]>
>>>>
>>>> Maxi, please proceed with your changes.
>>>>
>>>> -jeff
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-08-28 2:09 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jeff, the draft do not take in account any of my comment.
>>>>
>>>> I will provide changes according to my proposal (make things
>>>> identical
>>>> to Seoul) if it is fine, but i dont want to mess up your things.
>>>>
>>>> Can I proceed?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> maxi
>>>>
>>>> 2015-08-28 17:49 GMT+02:00 Jeff McKenna
>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com [1]
>>>> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com [2]>>:
>>>>
>>>> Maxi, as requested I have begun the financial agreement
>>>> draft:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/budget_planning/osgeo-local-committee-advance-agreement.odt
>>>>
>>>> [3]
>>>>
>>>> Everyone: please edit it accordingly. (it is in
>>>> OpenOffice format)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> -jeff
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-08-27 1:01 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -1
>>>>
>>>> My vote is motivated by a series of reasons that
>>>> took me to veto
>>>> this
>>>> motion.
>>>>
>>>> 1) The board has not been provided with
>>>> sufficient information
>>>> regarding
>>>> past events to evaluate the current request
>>>> (I need to see a summary for each past event of:
>>>> seed money,
>>>> guarantees,
>>>> fee, total expenses, total income, profit,
>>>> OSGeo revenue)
>>>>
>>>> 2) I dont think OSGeo should be exposed for more
>>>> then 1 FOSS4G
>>>> event at
>>>> the same time: it increase the risks and 1 year
>>>> for event
>>>> organization I
>>>> believe is enough. (Next time it could be 100k *
>>>> 2)
>>>>
>>>> 3) The 2015 FOSS4G event relies on a USD 40,000
>>>> seed money which
>>>> is also
>>>> the OSGeo guarantee. We know from past
>>>> experiences that FOSS4G
>>>> is more
>>>> risky when organized outside Europe or USA,
>>>> nevetheless we didnt
>>>> provided such a guarantee in 2015, thus to be
>>>> fair I dont think we
>>>> shall provide it now without a deep discussion.
>>>>
>>>> 4) Finally (this is more a my common sense
>>>> evaluation) I dont
>>>> think it
>>>> is raccomandable to take big budget decisions
>>>> that may affect
>>>> the coming
>>>> board members activities just one week before of
>>>> the elections.
>>>>
>>>> I strongly believe that this decision, involving
>>>> such a great
>>>> amount of
>>>> money, should be postponed and submitted to the
>>>> new board after the
>>>> elections and only having a clear vision of what
>>>> was the procedure
>>>> followed in the past years. In fact, this
>>>> decision will draw the
>>>> line to
>>>> be followed in the future for every international
>>>> FOSS4G events.
>>>>
>>>> For the above mentioned motivations,
>>>> acknowledging the impelling
>>>> need of
>>>> money of 2016 FOSS4G organizers, I propose to
>>>> assign to the Bonn
>>>> local
>>>> committee the amount of USD 40,000 after the
>>>> signing of afunding
>>>> agreement identical to the one approved by the
>>>> OSGeo board and
>>>> signed by
>>>> the OSGeo president and the Chair of FOSS4G 2015
>>>> for the Seoul
>>>> event.
>>>>
>>>> Future amendment could be possible if approved an
>>>> signed by the
>>>> two parties.
>>>>
>>>> Maxi
>>>>
>>>> 2015-08-26 16:54 GMT+02:00 Michael Smith
>>>> <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com [4]
>>>> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com [5]>
>>>> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com [6]
>>>> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com [7]>>>:
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On 8/26/15, 10:49 AM, "Jorge Sanz"
>>>> <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [8]
>>>> <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [9]>
>>>> <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [10]
>>>> <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [11]>> on
>>>> behalf of jsanz at osgeo.org [12]
>>>> <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org [13]>
>>>> <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org [14]
>>>> <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org [15]>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >+1
>>>> >
>>>> >2015-08-26 15:52 GMT+02:00 Bart van
>>>> den Eijnden
>>>> <bartvde at osgis.nl [16] <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl
>>>> [17]>
>>>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl [18]
>>>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl [19]>>>:
>>>> >> Thanks for moving this Jeff.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> +1
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Bart
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 15:49, Jeff
>>>> McKenna
>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com [20]
>>>> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com [21]>
>>>> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com [22]
>>>> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com [23]>>>
>>>> >>>wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Board,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Ive spoken with Till this morning
>>>> and this is time
>>>> sensitive.
>>>> Please
>>>> >>>respond within 2 business days.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ***
>>>> >>> Motion: Set aside 100k euros for
>>>> the guarantee of the
>>>> FOSS4G 2016
>>>> >>>event in Bonn, and to provide 50k
>>>> euros from that
>>>> amount, to the
>>>> Bonn
>>>> >>>local committee as seed funding.
>>>> Terms of the
>>>> agreement will be put
>>>> >>>into writing and signed by the
>>>> chair of 2016 and OSGeo, and
>>>> approved by
>>>> >>>the OSGeo Board.
>>>> >>> ***
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> This vote will help allow Till to
>>>> start signing
>>>> contracts etc.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> -jeff
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
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>>>>
>>>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> *Massimiliano Cannata*
>>>>
>>>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>>>>
>>>> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>>>>
>>>> Istituto scienze della Terra
>>>>
>>>> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>>>>
>>>> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
>>>>
>>>> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>>>>
>>>> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14____
>>>>
>>>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09____
>>>>
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>>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch [57]>
>>>>
>>>> _www.supsi.ch/ist [58] <http://www.supsi.ch/ist [59]>_
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FROM: Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch [101]>
>>>>
>>>> SUBJECT: RE: [BOARD] MOTION: PROVIDE SEED FUNDING TO FOSS4G 2016
>>>> TEAM
>>>>
>>>> DATE: 28 August 2015 18:18:31 BST
>>>>
>>>> TO: Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com [102]>
>>>>
>>>> CC: OSGeo Board <board at lists.osgeo.org [103]>
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> in attachment the revised agreement draft following the Seoul one.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Maxi
>>>>
>>>> 2015-08-28 19:09 GMT+02:00 Massimiliano Cannata
>>>> <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch [104]>:
>>>>
>>>> Jeff, the draft do not take in account any of my comment.
>>>>
>>>> I will provide changes according to my proposal (make things
>>>> identical to Seoul) if it is fine, but i dont want to mess up
>>>> your things.
>>>>
>>>> Can I proceed?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> maxi
>>>>
>>>> 2015-08-28 17:49 GMT+02:00 Jeff McKenna
>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com [91]>:
>>>>
>>>> Maxi, as requested I have begun the financial agreement draft:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/budget_planning/osgeo-local-committee-advance-agreement.odt
>>>>
>>>> [88]
>>>>
>>>> Everyone: please edit it accordingly. (it is in OpenOffice
>>>> format)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> -jeff
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-08-27 1:01 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -1
>>>>
>>>> My vote is motivated by a series of reasons that took me to
>>>> veto this
>>>> motion.
>>>>
>>>> 1) The board has not been provided with sufficient
>>>> information regarding
>>>> past events to evaluate the current request
>>>> (I need to see a summary for each past event of: seed
>>>> money, guarantees,
>>>> fee, total expenses, total income, profit, OSGeo revenue)
>>>>
>>>> 2) I dont think OSGeo should be exposed for more then 1
>>>> FOSS4G event at
>>>> the same time: it increase the risks and 1 year for event
>>>> organization I
>>>> believe is enough. (Next time it could be 100k * 2)
>>>>
>>>> 3) The 2015 FOSS4G event relies on a USD 40,000 seed money
>>>> which is also
>>>> the OSGeo guarantee. We know from past experiences that
>>>> FOSS4G is more
>>>> risky when organized outside Europe or USA, nevetheless we
>>>> didnt
>>>> provided such a guarantee in 2015, thus to be fair I dont
>>>> think we
>>>> shall provide it now without a deep discussion.
>>>>
>>>> 4) Finally (this is more a my common sense evaluation) I
>>>> dont think it
>>>> is raccomandable to take big budget decisions that may
>>>> affect the coming
>>>> board members activities just one week before of the
>>>> elections.
>>>>
>>>> I strongly believe that this decision, involving such a
>>>> great amount of
>>>> money, should be postponed and submitted to the new board
>>>> after the
>>>> elections and only having a clear vision of what was the
>>>> procedure
>>>> followed in the past years. In fact, this decision will
>>>> draw the line to
>>>> be followed in the future for every international FOSS4G
>>>> events.
>>>>
>>>> For the above mentioned motivations, acknowledging the
>>>> impelling need of
>>>> money of 2016 FOSS4G organizers, I propose to assign to the
>>>> Bonn local
>>>> committee the amount of USD 40,000 after the signing of
>>>> afunding
>>>> agreement identical to the one approved by the OSGeo board
>>>> and signed by
>>>> the OSGeo president and the Chair of FOSS4G 2015 for the
>>>> Seoul event.
>>>>
>>>> Future amendment could be possible if approved an signed by
>>>> the two parties.
>>>>
>>>> Maxi
>>>>
>>>> 2015-08-26 16:54 GMT+02:00 Michael Smith
>>>> <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com [60]
>>>> <mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com [61]>>:
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On 8/26/15, 10:49 AM, "Jorge Sanz"
>>>> <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [62]
>>>> <mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [63]> on
>>>> behalf of jsanz at osgeo.org [64]
>>>> <mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org [65]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >+1
>>>> >
>>>> >2015-08-26 15:52 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden
>>>> <bartvde at osgis.nl [66]
>>>> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl [67]>>:
>>>> >> Thanks for moving this Jeff.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> +1
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Bart
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On 26 Aug 2015, at 15:49, Jeff McKenna
>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com [68]
>>>> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com [69]>>
>>>> >>>wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Board,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Ive spoken with Till this morning and this is
>>>> time sensitive.
>>>> Please
>>>> >>>respond within 2 business days.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ***
>>>> >>> Motion: Set aside 100k euros for the guarantee
>>>> of the FOSS4G 2016
>>>> >>>event in Bonn, and to provide 50k euros from
>>>> that amount, to the
>>>> Bonn
>>>> >>>local committee as seed funding. Terms of the
>>>> agreement will be put
>>>> >>>into writing and signed by the chair of 2016 and
>>>> OSGeo, and
>>>> approved by
>>>> >>>the OSGeo Board.
>>>> >>> ***
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> This vote will help allow Till to start signing
>>>> contracts etc.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> -jeff
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>> Board mailing list
>>>> >>> Board at lists.osgeo.org [70]
>>>> <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org [71]>
>>>> >>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> [72]
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>>> >Jorge Sanz
>>>> >http://www.osgeo.org [76]
>>>> >http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz [77]
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>>>> *Massimiliano Cannata*
>>>>
>>>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>>>>
>>>> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>>>>
>>>> Istituto scienze della Terra
>>>>
>>>> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>>>>
>>>> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
>>>>
>>>> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>>>>
>>>> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14____
>>>>
>>>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09____
>>>>
>>>> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch [84]
>>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch [85]>
>>>>
>>>> _www.supsi.ch/ist [86] <http://www.supsi.ch/ist [87]>_
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>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> MASSIMILIANO CANNATA
>>>>
>>>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>>>> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>>>>
>>>> Istituto scienze della Terra
>>>>
>>>> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>>>> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
>>>> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>>>>
>>>> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14
>>>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09
>>>> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch [92]
>>>> www.supsi.ch/ist [93]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> MASSIMILIANO CANNATA
>>>>
>>>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>>>> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>>>>
>>>> Istituto scienze della Terra
>>>>
>>>> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>>>> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
>>>> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>>>>
>>>> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14
>>>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09
>>>> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch [105]
>>>> www.supsi.ch/ist [106]
>>>> <osgeo-local-committee-advance-agreement_MC.odt>
>>>>
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>>>> [1] mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>> [2] mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>> [3]
>>>>
>>>> http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/budget_planning/osgeo-local-committee-advance-agreement.odt
>>>> [4] mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com
>>>> [5] mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com
>>>> [6] mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com
>>>> [7] mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com
>>>> [8] mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [9] mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [10] mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [11] mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [12] mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org
>>>> [13] mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org
>>>> [14] mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org
>>>> [15] mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org
>>>> [16] mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl
>>>> [17] mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl
>>>> [18] mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl
>>>> [19] mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl
>>>> [20] mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>> [21] mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>> [22] mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>> [23] mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>> [24] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [25] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [26] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [27] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [28] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> [29] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [30] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [31] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [32] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [33] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> [34] http://www.osgeo.org
>>>> [35] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz
>>>> [36] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [37] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [38] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [39] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [40] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> [41] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [42] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [43] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [44] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [45] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> [46] mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>>> [47] mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>>> [48] mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>>> [49] mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>>> [50] http://www.supsi.ch/ist
>>>> [51] http://www.supsi.ch/ist
>>>> [52] http://www.supsi.ch/ist
>>>> [53] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [54] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [55] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> [56] mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>>> [57] mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>>> [58] http://www.supsi.ch/ist
>>>> [59] http://www.supsi.ch/ist
>>>> [60] mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com
>>>> [61] mailto:michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com
>>>> [62] mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [63] mailto:board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [64] mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org
>>>> [65] mailto:jsanz at osgeo.org
>>>> [66] mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl
>>>> [67] mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl
>>>> [68] mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>> [69] mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>> [70] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [71] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [72] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> [73] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [74] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [75] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> [76] http://www.osgeo.org/
>>>> [77] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jorge_Sanz
>>>> [78] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [79] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [80] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> [81] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [82] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [83] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> [84] mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>>> [85] mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>>> [86] http://www.supsi.ch/ist
>>>> [87] http://www.supsi.ch/ist
>>>> [88]
>>>>
>>>> http://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2016/budget_planning/osgeo-local-committee-advance-agreement.odt
>>>> [89] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [90] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> [91] mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>> [92] mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>>> [93] http://www.supsi.ch/ist
>>>> [94] mailto:board-request at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [95] mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [96] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> [97] mailto:board-request at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [98] mailto:board-owner at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [99] mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>> [100] mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [101] mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>>> [102] mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>>>> [103] mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [104] mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>>> [105] mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>>> [106] http://www.supsi.ch/ist
>>>> [107] mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [108] http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>> [109] mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Massimiliano Cannata
>>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>>> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>>>
>>> Istituto scienze della Terra
>>>
>>> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>>> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
>>> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>>>
>>> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14
>>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09
>>> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>> www.supsi.ch/ist
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Board mailing list
>>> Board at lists.osgeo.org
>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Massimiliano Cannata
>>
>> Professore SUPSI in ingegneria Geomatica
>>
>> Responsabile settore Geomatica
>>
>>
>> Istituto scienze della Terra
>>
>> Dipartimento ambiente costruzione e design
>>
>> Scuola universitaria professionale della Svizzera italiana
>>
>> Campus Trevano, CH - 6952 Canobbio
>>
>> Tel. +41 (0)58 666 62 14
>>
>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09
>>
>> massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>
>> www.supsi.ch/ist
>>
>>
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