[Board] Motion on Open lidar letter
Jeff McKenna
jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
Wed May 6 07:28:41 PDT 2015
Thanks Suchith, a team effort indeed. Also Scott Simmons (OGC) and I
will meet on Skype next Wednesday to discuss the LiDAR standards issue.
If you have specific items for me to put on the table please let me
know, so I don't forget any important points.
-jeff
On 2015-05-06 3:37 AM, Suchith Anand wrote:
> Jeff, Cameron, All,
>
> Thanks for your support and efforts.
>
> To move things forward and make it consistent, i will follow up this with ASPRS also as done with Esri and OGC. I will cc in OSGeo Board in my email to ASPRS.
>
> So i will email Stewart Walker (President ASPRS) cc in President-Elect, Past President and Vice President of ASPRS also.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
> ________________________________________
> From: board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 9:45 PM
> To: OSGeo-Board
> Subject: Re: [Board] Motion on Open lidar letter
>
> Hi Cameron,
>
> Personally I think you all did a great job distributing the letter; as
> you did already, I believe you should choose a leader active in the
> community to share the letter (as you did for Esri, OGC, etc). Do you
> know someone from OSGeo involved in ASPRS?
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
> On 2015-05-05 5:25 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> Jeff, board,
>> I hear that there is no desire from yourselves to send another
>> (official) email to OGC/Esri about the Open LIDAR letter.
>>
>> One outstanding question remains, which I possibly didn't make clear
>> enough in the last email. Who will notify ASPRS (whom the letter was
>> also written to)? Is that something that the board or OSGeo President
>> wishes to send? Or would you prefer it delivered by a member of the
>> OSGeo community?
>> Could you please respond in a timely manner, as I feel it is the right
>> thing to do by both ASPRS and the OSGeo community to deliver this
>> message soon.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Cameron
>>
>> On 5/05/2015 9:42 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> The hope in writing the open letter was that it would carry as much
>>> weight as possible, in order to demonstrate the importance that we as
>>> an OSGeo Foundation feel about Open Standards.
>>>
>>> Having 130+ signatures from prominent community members adds weight,
>>> thanks to all who signed. Having a cover letter from the board adds
>>> weight, thank you board. Having a well researched set of facts adds
>>> weight, thanks Martin. Having the story published widely adds weight,
>>> thanks to the media to ran the story and the people to took the story
>>> to the media. Having the letter officially delivered from the OSGeo
>>> President adds weight, I'm hoping we can achieve that too.
>>>
>>> This was the reason for the original request sent to the board on 16
>>> April, which was voted on and passed by the board. (See the email
>>> thread for history).
>>>
>>> Yes, some people within Esri are aware of an earlier version of this
>>> letter, as are the OGC. I'm not aware if ASPRS have been notified.
>>>
>>> So yes, a great job has been done so far. I'm asking that we continue
>>> in that vein, which would involve officially sending the letter to the
>>> key stakeholders.
>>>
>>> Kind regards, Cameron Shorter
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Jeff McKenna
>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Cameron, Suchith, Martin, all,
>>>
>>> Everyone is contacting me offlist about the next steps for the
>>> Open Lidar letter, I am aware of that. I would ask that you
>>> discuss this here on the OSGeo Board list, so the whole Board can
>>> help you along. If I am correct, I believe the status is:
>>>
>>> - OSGeo Board voted and supported adding a cover letter (done and
>>> added to letter wiki page)
>>> - Esri responded
>>> - OGC responded, and they will be responding to this to us in a
>>> few weeks and discussing it at their next TC meeting (Scott
>>> Simmons, the Executive Director of the OGC's Standards Program,
>>> also contacted me directly and I will be discussing this with home
>>> in the next few weeks over the phone)
>>> - the story has made wide media coverage
>>>
>>> I really believe we've done a great job pushing this (we being
>>> Martin, Cameron, Suchith, everyone involved in the letter) and
>>> good things have come out of it, and, that the OSGeo Board has
>>> done its duties regarding this process.
>>>
>>> Do others disagree? By the number of pings that I am getting
>>> offline of trying to get me to send this letter it seems others
>>> want more action. So, please speak up here.
>>>
>>> As you already know (from now years of seeing me in this
>>> position), I don't send official e-mails on behalf of the entire
>>> OSGeo foundation because of some offlist pings; I request that we
>>> discuss next steps (if any?) for the Board, or that you made a
>>> request to the OSGeo Board for next steps, and we can discuss openly.
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-04-28 5:56 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> Thanks for adding the cover letter to the LiDAR Open Letter.
>>>
>>> The second part of this motion was for the OSGeo President to
>>> email the
>>> letter to the OGC, ESRI and ASPRS. (Suggested email addresses
>>> are toward
>>> the bottom of this email thread).
>>>
>>> Would you mind CCing a public archived email list (probably
>>> the board
>>> list) so that we have an official record of the Open Letter being
>>> delivered. (Alternatively, you can forward, or notify the list
>>> instead).
>>>
>>> Hopefully any response you receive will also be sent to the
>>> public list.
>>> If not, can you please ask if you can share the response publicly.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Cameron
>>>
>>> On 25/04/2015 10:55 pm, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>
>>> I've added the cover letter text to the main page.
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-04-23 7:19 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>
>>> Well written Jeff,
>>>
>>> Once you are comfortable with the wording, I suggest
>>> either:
>>> 1. Copy the cover letter text into
>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter (preferred)
>>> 2. Or reference the cover letter wiki from the LiDAR
>>> Format Letter
>>>
>>> On 23/04/2015 11:11 pm, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Maxi.
>>>
>>> A first draft of the Board cover letter is at
>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter_Board_Cover
>>> It would be
>>> good for all Board members to take a look and edit
>>> that page if need
>>> be.
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-04-23 9:33 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>> With 6 votes +1 and 3 votes +0 I declare the
>>> motion to support the
>>> letter on LiDAR open standard passed.
>>>
>>> The board will draft a support letter.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Maxi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-04-23 12:01 GMT+02:00 Jachym Cepicky
>>> <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>>:
>>>
>>> +0
>>>
>>> With comment: -1 for the tone, +1 for the
>>> "idea" of the letter
>>>
>>> Requesting and pointing at "one evil" does
>>> not bring solutions,
>>> only
>>> builds walls. Therefore also not signing
>>> the letter as private
>>> person. If someone else takes the power, I
>>> can only say: that this
>>> is not my way.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the delay
>>>
>>> Jachym
>>>
>>> čt 23. 4. 2015 v 7:15 odesílatel
>>> Massimiliano Cannata
>>> <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>> napsal:
>>>
>>> My vote is +0,
>>> I support the idea but not the tone of
>>> the letter.
>>>
>>> Maxi
>>>
>>>
>>> Il giorno gio 23 apr 2015 01:13 AM
>>> Cameron Shorter
>>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>>
>>> ha scritto:
>>>
>>> I think all board members have now
>>> voted? Thankyou for
>>> your
>>> support.
>>> Massimo, as you raised this
>>> motion, do you wish to declare
>>> its result?
>>>
>>> Next actions:
>>> * Declare result of motion (Massimo)
>>> * Update the Open Letter wiki with
>>> cover letter. There is
>>> proposed text
>>> below. I'm happy to do this,
>>> unless someone else does it
>>> first.
>>> * Send the Open Letter to key
>>> stakeholders (emails below).
>>> Jeff, do you
>>> wish to do that? Would you like
>>> any help?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Cameron
>>>
>>> On 23/04/2015 1:44 am, Vasile
>>> Craciunescu wrote:
>>> > +1
>>> >
>>> > I totally agree with Jorge.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Vasile
>>> >
>>> > On 4/22/15 8:27 AM,
>>> Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>> >> I do not enter in detail of
>>> your debate about media. I
>>> can just say that
>>> >> the board is slow because
>>> there is discussion on the
>>> form of the letter
>>> >> you prepared.
>>> >>
>>> >> At this point I officially
>>> make the motion to vote on
>>> beard official
>>> >> support of the letter on lidar
>>> standard as it is
>>> >>
>>> athttp://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
>>> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter>
>>> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter>
>>> >>
>>> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter>
>>> >>
>>> >> Maxi
>>> >>
>>> >> Hello Jeff and the OSGeo Board,
>>> >>
>>> >> Our next step is to deliver
>>> the Open Letter, as
>>> suggested earlier in
>>> >> this thread. (see below)
>>> >>
>>> >> We are waiting on an answer
>>> from the earlier proposal
>>> for the OSGeo
>>> >> Board to present this Open
>>> Letter. Is another 48 hours
>>> enough time to
>>> >> respond?
>>> >>
>>> >> The alternative is that some
>>> one else from the OSGeo
>>> community delivers
>>> >> this letter.
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 16/04/2015 9:52 pm,
>>> Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>> >>>> Hi OSGeo Board,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I request the board support
>>> an OSGeo Community
>>> developed Open Letter
>>> >>>> aimed at protecting open
>>> LiDAR standards.
>>> >>>>
>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Proposal 1: The OSGeo Board
>>> agree to include the
>>> following statement
>>> >>>> (or similar wording) into
>>> the letter:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> = Cover Letter from the
>>> OSGeo Board =
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The board of the
>>> [http://osgeo.org Open Source
>>> Geospatial Foundation]
>>> >>>> (OSGeo) is presenting this
>>> letter to the OGC,
>>> ESRI and
>>> ASPRS. The
>>> >>>> letter highlights concerns
>>> about fragmentation in
>>> LiDAR standards
>>> >>>> from many people within the
>>> OSGeo community. As
>>> always, if there is
>>> >>>> anything the OSGeo board can
>>> do to help, then please
>>> let us know.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Signed: <OSGeo Board Members>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Proposal 2:
>>> >>>> Once the letter has
>>> completed the signature
>>> phase, the
>>> letter be
>>> >>>> emailed from the OSGeo
>>> President to key people
>>> within
>>> these
>>> >>>> organisations:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Mark Reichardt <mreichardt
>>> AT opengeospatial.org <http://opengeospatial.org>
>>> <http://opengeospatial.org>
>>> >>>>
>>> <http://opengeospatial.org>>, OSGeo President
>>> >>>> David Danko <DDanko AT
>>> esri.com <http://esri.com> <http://esri.com>
>>> <http://esri.com>>, ESRI's Senior
>>> >>>> Consultant for GIS Standards
>>> >>>> Stephen D. DeGloria < sdd4
>>> AT cornell.edu <http://cornell.edu>
>>> <http://cornell.edu>
>>> <http://cornell.edu>>,
>>> >>>> President of the ASPRS
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