[Board] Motion on Open lidar letter
Suchith Anand
Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
Wed May 6 08:07:31 PDT 2015
Thanks Jeff and it is indeed great team effort. I thank all (OSGeo, OGC, ISPRS, ASPRS, ICA and wider geocommunity colleagues) who all have contributed directly and indirectly for Open Standards principles and for this LiDAR issue.
I could have ignored this LiDAR standards issue thinking this is not my problem BUT i had to take a stand on this (Open Standards) as it affects the wider Geocommunity and also for the future of GeoEducation opportunities for all.
We want all involved (Esri, OGC, ASPRS) to join together in this efforts to make sure Open Standards are followed. It is win-win for all.
Great to hear that you and Scott (OGC) will be meeting on skype next week and let us all work together to make OGC TC meeting in Boulder productive to help everyone exchange ideas and work together for this.
Best wishes,
Suchith
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From: board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 3:28 PM
To: OSGeo-Board
Subject: Re: [Board] Motion on Open lidar letter
Thanks Suchith, a team effort indeed. Also Scott Simmons (OGC) and I
will meet on Skype next Wednesday to discuss the LiDAR standards issue.
If you have specific items for me to put on the table please let me
know, so I don't forget any important points.
-jeff
On 2015-05-06 3:37 AM, Suchith Anand wrote:
> Jeff, Cameron, All,
>
> Thanks for your support and efforts.
>
> To move things forward and make it consistent, i will follow up this with ASPRS also as done with Esri and OGC. I will cc in OSGeo Board in my email to ASPRS.
>
> So i will email Stewart Walker (President ASPRS) cc in President-Elect, Past President and Vice President of ASPRS also.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
> ________________________________________
> From: board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jeff McKenna [jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 9:45 PM
> To: OSGeo-Board
> Subject: Re: [Board] Motion on Open lidar letter
>
> Hi Cameron,
>
> Personally I think you all did a great job distributing the letter; as
> you did already, I believe you should choose a leader active in the
> community to share the letter (as you did for Esri, OGC, etc). Do you
> know someone from OSGeo involved in ASPRS?
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
> On 2015-05-05 5:25 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> Jeff, board,
>> I hear that there is no desire from yourselves to send another
>> (official) email to OGC/Esri about the Open LIDAR letter.
>>
>> One outstanding question remains, which I possibly didn't make clear
>> enough in the last email. Who will notify ASPRS (whom the letter was
>> also written to)? Is that something that the board or OSGeo President
>> wishes to send? Or would you prefer it delivered by a member of the
>> OSGeo community?
>> Could you please respond in a timely manner, as I feel it is the right
>> thing to do by both ASPRS and the OSGeo community to deliver this
>> message soon.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Cameron
>>
>> On 5/05/2015 9:42 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> The hope in writing the open letter was that it would carry as much
>>> weight as possible, in order to demonstrate the importance that we as
>>> an OSGeo Foundation feel about Open Standards.
>>>
>>> Having 130+ signatures from prominent community members adds weight,
>>> thanks to all who signed. Having a cover letter from the board adds
>>> weight, thank you board. Having a well researched set of facts adds
>>> weight, thanks Martin. Having the story published widely adds weight,
>>> thanks to the media to ran the story and the people to took the story
>>> to the media. Having the letter officially delivered from the OSGeo
>>> President adds weight, I'm hoping we can achieve that too.
>>>
>>> This was the reason for the original request sent to the board on 16
>>> April, which was voted on and passed by the board. (See the email
>>> thread for history).
>>>
>>> Yes, some people within Esri are aware of an earlier version of this
>>> letter, as are the OGC. I'm not aware if ASPRS have been notified.
>>>
>>> So yes, a great job has been done so far. I'm asking that we continue
>>> in that vein, which would involve officially sending the letter to the
>>> key stakeholders.
>>>
>>> Kind regards, Cameron Shorter
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 8:36 AM, Jeff McKenna
>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Cameron, Suchith, Martin, all,
>>>
>>> Everyone is contacting me offlist about the next steps for the
>>> Open Lidar letter, I am aware of that. I would ask that you
>>> discuss this here on the OSGeo Board list, so the whole Board can
>>> help you along. If I am correct, I believe the status is:
>>>
>>> - OSGeo Board voted and supported adding a cover letter (done and
>>> added to letter wiki page)
>>> - Esri responded
>>> - OGC responded, and they will be responding to this to us in a
>>> few weeks and discussing it at their next TC meeting (Scott
>>> Simmons, the Executive Director of the OGC's Standards Program,
>>> also contacted me directly and I will be discussing this with home
>>> in the next few weeks over the phone)
>>> - the story has made wide media coverage
>>>
>>> I really believe we've done a great job pushing this (we being
>>> Martin, Cameron, Suchith, everyone involved in the letter) and
>>> good things have come out of it, and, that the OSGeo Board has
>>> done its duties regarding this process.
>>>
>>> Do others disagree? By the number of pings that I am getting
>>> offline of trying to get me to send this letter it seems others
>>> want more action. So, please speak up here.
>>>
>>> As you already know (from now years of seeing me in this
>>> position), I don't send official e-mails on behalf of the entire
>>> OSGeo foundation because of some offlist pings; I request that we
>>> discuss next steps (if any?) for the Board, or that you made a
>>> request to the OSGeo Board for next steps, and we can discuss openly.
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-04-28 5:56 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> Thanks for adding the cover letter to the LiDAR Open Letter.
>>>
>>> The second part of this motion was for the OSGeo President to
>>> email the
>>> letter to the OGC, ESRI and ASPRS. (Suggested email addresses
>>> are toward
>>> the bottom of this email thread).
>>>
>>> Would you mind CCing a public archived email list (probably
>>> the board
>>> list) so that we have an official record of the Open Letter being
>>> delivered. (Alternatively, you can forward, or notify the list
>>> instead).
>>>
>>> Hopefully any response you receive will also be sent to the
>>> public list.
>>> If not, can you please ask if you can share the response publicly.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Cameron
>>>
>>> On 25/04/2015 10:55 pm, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>
>>> I've added the cover letter text to the main page.
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-04-23 7:19 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>
>>> Well written Jeff,
>>>
>>> Once you are comfortable with the wording, I suggest
>>> either:
>>> 1. Copy the cover letter text into
>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter (preferred)
>>> 2. Or reference the cover letter wiki from the LiDAR
>>> Format Letter
>>>
>>> On 23/04/2015 11:11 pm, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Maxi.
>>>
>>> A first draft of the Board cover letter is at
>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter_Board_Cover
>>> It would be
>>> good for all Board members to take a look and edit
>>> that page if need
>>> be.
>>>
>>> -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-04-23 9:33 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>> With 6 votes +1 and 3 votes +0 I declare the
>>> motion to support the
>>> letter on LiDAR open standard passed.
>>>
>>> The board will draft a support letter.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Maxi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-04-23 12:01 GMT+02:00 Jachym Cepicky
>>> <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>>:
>>>
>>> +0
>>>
>>> With comment: -1 for the tone, +1 for the
>>> "idea" of the letter
>>>
>>> Requesting and pointing at "one evil" does
>>> not bring solutions,
>>> only
>>> builds walls. Therefore also not signing
>>> the letter as private
>>> person. If someone else takes the power, I
>>> can only say: that this
>>> is not my way.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the delay
>>>
>>> Jachym
>>>
>>> čt 23. 4. 2015 v 7:15 odesílatel
>>> Massimiliano Cannata
>>> <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
>>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>> napsal:
>>>
>>> My vote is +0,
>>> I support the idea but not the tone of
>>> the letter.
>>>
>>> Maxi
>>>
>>>
>>> Il giorno gio 23 apr 2015 01:13 AM
>>> Cameron Shorter
>>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>>
>>> ha scritto:
>>>
>>> I think all board members have now
>>> voted? Thankyou for
>>> your
>>> support.
>>> Massimo, as you raised this
>>> motion, do you wish to declare
>>> its result?
>>>
>>> Next actions:
>>> * Declare result of motion (Massimo)
>>> * Update the Open Letter wiki with
>>> cover letter. There is
>>> proposed text
>>> below. I'm happy to do this,
>>> unless someone else does it
>>> first.
>>> * Send the Open Letter to key
>>> stakeholders (emails below).
>>> Jeff, do you
>>> wish to do that? Would you like
>>> any help?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Cameron
>>>
>>> On 23/04/2015 1:44 am, Vasile
>>> Craciunescu wrote:
>>> > +1
>>> >
>>> > I totally agree with Jorge.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Vasile
>>> >
>>> > On 4/22/15 8:27 AM,
>>> Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>> >> I do not enter in detail of
>>> your debate about media. I
>>> can just say that
>>> >> the board is slow because
>>> there is discussion on the
>>> form of the letter
>>> >> you prepared.
>>> >>
>>> >> At this point I officially
>>> make the motion to vote on
>>> beard official
>>> >> support of the letter on lidar
>>> standard as it is
>>> >>
>>> athttp://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
>>> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter>
>>> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter>
>>> >>
>>> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter>
>>> >>
>>> >> Maxi
>>> >>
>>> >> Hello Jeff and the OSGeo Board,
>>> >>
>>> >> Our next step is to deliver
>>> the Open Letter, as
>>> suggested earlier in
>>> >> this thread. (see below)
>>> >>
>>> >> We are waiting on an answer
>>> from the earlier proposal
>>> for the OSGeo
>>> >> Board to present this Open
>>> Letter. Is another 48 hours
>>> enough time to
>>> >> respond?
>>> >>
>>> >> The alternative is that some
>>> one else from the OSGeo
>>> community delivers
>>> >> this letter.
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 16/04/2015 9:52 pm,
>>> Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>> >>>> Hi OSGeo Board,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I request the board support
>>> an OSGeo Community
>>> developed Open Letter
>>> >>>> aimed at protecting open
>>> LiDAR standards.
>>> >>>>
>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Proposal 1: The OSGeo Board
>>> agree to include the
>>> following statement
>>> >>>> (or similar wording) into
>>> the letter:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> = Cover Letter from the
>>> OSGeo Board =
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The board of the
>>> [http://osgeo.org Open Source
>>> Geospatial Foundation]
>>> >>>> (OSGeo) is presenting this
>>> letter to the OGC,
>>> ESRI and
>>> ASPRS. The
>>> >>>> letter highlights concerns
>>> about fragmentation in
>>> LiDAR standards
>>> >>>> from many people within the
>>> OSGeo community. As
>>> always, if there is
>>> >>>> anything the OSGeo board can
>>> do to help, then please
>>> let us know.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Signed: <OSGeo Board Members>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Proposal 2:
>>> >>>> Once the letter has
>>> completed the signature
>>> phase, the
>>> letter be
>>> >>>> emailed from the OSGeo
>>> President to key people
>>> within
>>> these
>>> >>>> organisations:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Mark Reichardt <mreichardt
>>> AT opengeospatial.org <http://opengeospatial.org>
>>> <http://opengeospatial.org>
>>> >>>>
>>> <http://opengeospatial.org>>, OSGeo President
>>> >>>> David Danko <DDanko AT
>>> esri.com <http://esri.com> <http://esri.com>
>>> <http://esri.com>>, ESRI's Senior
>>> >>>> Consultant for GIS Standards
>>> >>>> Stephen D. DeGloria < sdd4
>>> AT cornell.edu <http://cornell.edu>
>>> <http://cornell.edu>
>>> <http://cornell.edu>>,
>>> >>>> President of the ASPRS
>>> >> --
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