[Board] Request to transfer domain deegree.org to OSGeo

Jens Fitzke fitzke at lat-lon.de
Wed Oct 14 06:58:53 PDT 2015

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Dear Jeff,

I just subscribed to the SAC list to follow the discussion there.

Regarding further action here, perhaps the Board members could provide some
guidance about the need for a formal and legally correct imprint page on
deegree.org (and perhaps also for other OSGeo projects). As I said we
currently use the contact information of IDgis on deegree.org's imprint. But
this was meant to be an interim solution only. Thus the question: Do we still
need an imprint, once the domain is owned by OSGeo, and what should be there?

Kind regards,


Am 14.10.2015 um 15:40 schrieb Jeff McKenna:
> Hi Jens,
> As deegree is an OSGeo project, we can of course transfer the deegree.org
> domain to OSGeo.  Actually OSGeo's Systems Architecture Committee (SAC)
> manages this, so I will ask them on the SAC mailing list now.  Jens would
> you mind joining the SAC list and following along with this discussion?
> Subscribe at https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac
> If there is anything else you need besides just the domain transfer please
> let us know.
> -jeff
> On 2015-10-14 7:50 AM, Jens Fitzke wrote: _
> Dear Board members,
> In the mail cited below I described a problem we just had with deegree.org.
> In the meantime it was possible, with the help of a professional lawyer,
> to reject the prosecution. We removed everything from deegree.org which
> might lead to the misinterpretation that commercial services are advertised
> there, and we added an imprint, the latter as an interim solution to
> support the rejection of the complaint.
> As a long-term solution, as already pointed out below, I propose to
> transfer the deegree.org domain to OSGeo. By that it would also from a
> legal point of view be clear that it is a community domain, not a company
> domain. If that transfer is possible, also the imprint could either be
> removed or adjusted to the new situation.
> Such a procedure could also be a solution for other OSGeo project who
> might otherwise run into the same kind of trouble.
> The question to you is, if such a transfer is possible, and what has to be 
> done to achieve it. Your feedback, please.
> Kind regards,
> Jens
> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss]
> OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it. Datum: Mon, 28 Sep
> 2015 09:57:18 +0200 Von: Jens Fitzke <fitzke at lat-lon.de> Kopie (CC):
> discuss at lists.osgeo.org
> Am 26.09.2015 um 17:20 schrieb Darrell Fuhriman:
>>>> This is a perfect example.
>>>> All of those are great and wonderful things! The community does great
>>>> and wonderful things. That’ s not my point.
>>>> My point is, those activities would happen even if the OSGeo
>>>> Foundation disappeared. I’m not questioning whether we have a large
>>>> and vibrant community, we do. And we still would.
>>>> My local chapter existed before it was an OSGeo chapter, and we would
>>>> keep on having meetings and doing fun and exciting things even
>>>> without the OSGeo Foundation.
> Same is true for the German chapter. But nevertheless there is need for 
> something more umbrella-like.
>>>> Put another way: The OSGeo Foundation needs the Open Source
>>>> Geospatial community, but does the Open Source Geospatial community
>>>> need the OSGeo Foundation? I don’t see that it does.
> Here's a case why the Open Source Geospatial community need the OSGeo 
> Foundation: Our company is currently being legally prosecuted as the owner
> of the deegree.org domain. The claim is that on www.deegree.org there is a 
> commercial offering, but at the same time the web site lacks an imprint
> (which is legally enforced in Germany for all commercial offerings).
> Besides the question if some links to companies who provide "professional
> support" are already a commercial offering, the main point here is, that
> lat/lon is made responsible for something (providing the server) the
> company is only doing to support the community. But the prosecutor is
> saying that lat/lon is accountable here as per the whois entry.
> We are currently evaluating reactions, together with a lawyer who is 
> experienced in legal aspects of Open Source. But as a more long-term
> solution I'd say OSGeo should be the legal owner of deegree.org. From my
> naive legal understanding this would help a lot to get things straight and
> more transparent to the outside world.
> This case might be a bit special, but it is a real one - and it might have 
> some larger impact as I am seeing other projects which have a similiar
> setting and thus might run into the same kind of trouble. Depending on the
> legal situation in the various countries, of course.
> My 2 cents,
> Jens
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