[Board] Fwd: Re: Request to transfer domain deegree.org to OSGeo

[Jeff McKenna]

Hi Jens,

I didn't see a response from SAC on my request to transfer deegree.org 
domain to OSGeo, so this morning I have asked again there (maybe you 
could reply there when you see my message today on the SAC list).

Regarding a "legally correct imprint page" for deegree.org, maybe I am 
not understanding you entirely.  If you are asking if there are any 
requirements from OSGeo regarding your website, I know that we do ask 
projects to include an "OSGeo Project" logo (such as 
https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/marketing/logo/png8/300/OSGeo_project.png) 
and for it to point to the OSGeo page.

But maybe you can explain more here for the board to understand.

-jeff



On 2015-10-19 4:25 AM, Jens Fitzke wrote:
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> Dear Jeff,
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> Has there already been any communication around this? - I have not seen a
> corresponding mail on the SAC list but I might have been missing something...
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> Kind regards,
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> Jens
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> Betreff: Re: [Board] Request to transfer domain deegree.org to OSGeo
> Datum: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 15:58:53 +0200
> Von: Jens Fitzke <fitzke at lat-lon.de>
> An: OSGeo-Board List <board at lists.osgeo.org>
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> Dear Jeff,
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> I just subscribed to the SAC list to follow the discussion there.
>
> Regarding further action here, perhaps the Board members could provide some
> guidance about the need for a formal and legally correct imprint page on
> deegree.org (and perhaps also for other OSGeo projects). As I said we
> currently use the contact information of IDgis on deegree.org's imprint. But
> this was meant to be an interim solution only. Thus the question: Do we still
> need an imprint, once the domain is owned by OSGeo, and what should be there?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jens
>
> Am 14.10.2015 um 15:40 schrieb Jeff McKenna:
>> Hi Jens,
>>
>> As deegree is an OSGeo project, we can of course transfer the deegree.org
>> domain to OSGeo.  Actually OSGeo's Systems Architecture Committee (SAC)
>> manages this, so I will ask them on the SAC mailing list now.  Jens would
>> you mind joining the SAC list and following along with this discussion?
>> Subscribe at https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac
>>
>> If there is anything else you need besides just the domain transfer please
>> let us know.
>>
>> -jeff
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>> On 2015-10-14 7:50 AM, Jens Fitzke wrote: _
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>> Dear Board members,
>>
>> In the mail cited below I described a problem we just had with
>> deegree.org. In the meantime it was possible, with the help of a
>> professional lawyer, to reject the prosecution. We removed everything from
>> deegree.org which might lead to the misinterpretation that commercial
>> services are advertised there, and we added an imprint, the latter as an
>> interim solution to support the rejection of the complaint.
>>
>> As a long-term solution, as already pointed out below, I propose to
>> transfer the deegree.org domain to OSGeo. By that it would also from a
>> legal point of view be clear that it is a community domain, not a company
>> domain. If that transfer is possible, also the imprint could either be
>> removed or adjusted to the new situation.
>>
>> Such a procedure could also be a solution for other OSGeo project who might
>> otherwise run into the same kind of trouble.
>>
>> The question to you is, if such a transfer is possible, and what has to be
>> done to achieve it. Your feedback, please.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Jens
>>
>>
>>
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>> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss]
>> OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it. Datum: Mon, 28 Sep
>> 2015 09:57:18 +0200 Von: Jens Fitzke <fitzke at lat-lon.de> Kopie (CC):
>> discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>>
>> Am 26.09.2015 um 17:20 schrieb Darrell Fuhriman:
>>>>> This is a perfect example.
>>>>>
>>>>> All of those are great and wonderful things! The community does
>>>>> great and wonderful things. That’ s not my point.
>>>>>
>>>>> My point is, those activities would happen even if the OSGeo
>>>>> Foundation disappeared. I’m not questioning whether we have a large
>>>>> and vibrant community, we do. And we still would.
>>>>>
>>>>> My local chapter existed before it was an OSGeo chapter, and we
>>>>> would keep on having meetings and doing fun and exciting things even
>>>>> without the OSGeo Foundation.
>>
>> Same is true for the German chapter. But nevertheless there is need for
>> something more umbrella-like.
>>
>>>>> Put another way: The OSGeo Foundation needs the Open Source
>>>>> Geospatial community, but does the Open Source Geospatial community
>>>>> need the OSGeo Foundation? I don’t see that it does.
>>
>> Here's a case why the Open Source Geospatial community need the OSGeo
>> Foundation: Our company is currently being legally prosecuted as the owner
>> of the deegree.org domain. The claim is that on www.deegree.org there is a
>> commercial offering, but at the same time the web site lacks an imprint
>> (which is legally enforced in Germany for all commercial offerings).
>> Besides the question if some links to companies who provide "professional
>> support" are already a commercial offering, the main point here is, that
>> lat/lon is made responsible for something (providing the server) the
>> company is only doing to support the community. But the prosecutor is
>> saying that lat/lon is accountable here as per the whois entry.
>>
>> We are currently evaluating reactions, together with a lawyer who is
>> experienced in legal aspects of Open Source. But as a more long-term
>> solution I'd say OSGeo should be the legal owner of deegree.org. From my
>> naive legal understanding this would help a lot to get things straight and
>> more transparent to the outside world.
>>
>> This case might be a bit special, but it is a real one - and it might have
>> some larger impact as I am seeing other projects which have a similiar
>> setting and thus might run into the same kind of trouble. Depending on the
>> legal situation in the various countries, of course.
>>
>> My 2 cents,
>>
>> Jens
>>
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