[Board] Fwd: Re: Request to transfer domain deegree.org to OSGeo
jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
Mon Oct 19 06:19:17 PDT 2015
I didn't see a response from SAC on my request to transfer deegree.org
domain to OSGeo, so this morning I have asked again there (maybe you
could reply there when you see my message today on the SAC list).
Regarding a "legally correct imprint page" for deegree.org, maybe I am
not understanding you entirely. If you are asking if there are any
requirements from OSGeo regarding your website, I know that we do ask
projects to include an "OSGeo Project" logo (such as
and for it to point to the OSGeo page.
But maybe you can explain more here for the board to understand.
On 2015-10-19 4:25 AM, Jens Fitzke wrote:
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> Dear Jeff,
> Has there already been any communication around this? - I have not seen a
> corresponding mail on the SAC list but I might have been missing something...
> Kind regards,
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> Betreff: Re: [Board] Request to transfer domain deegree.org to OSGeo
> Datum: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 15:58:53 +0200
> Von: Jens Fitzke <fitzke at lat-lon.de>
> An: OSGeo-Board List <board at lists.osgeo.org>
> Dear Jeff,
> I just subscribed to the SAC list to follow the discussion there.
> Regarding further action here, perhaps the Board members could provide some
> guidance about the need for a formal and legally correct imprint page on
> deegree.org (and perhaps also for other OSGeo projects). As I said we
> currently use the contact information of IDgis on deegree.org's imprint. But
> this was meant to be an interim solution only. Thus the question: Do we still
> need an imprint, once the domain is owned by OSGeo, and what should be there?
> Kind regards,
> Am 14.10.2015 um 15:40 schrieb Jeff McKenna:
>> Hi Jens,
>> As deegree is an OSGeo project, we can of course transfer the deegree.org
>> domain to OSGeo. Actually OSGeo's Systems Architecture Committee (SAC)
>> manages this, so I will ask them on the SAC mailing list now. Jens would
>> you mind joining the SAC list and following along with this discussion?
>> Subscribe at https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/sac
>> If there is anything else you need besides just the domain transfer please
>> let us know.
>> On 2015-10-14 7:50 AM, Jens Fitzke wrote: _
>> Dear Board members,
>> In the mail cited below I described a problem we just had with
>> deegree.org. In the meantime it was possible, with the help of a
>> professional lawyer, to reject the prosecution. We removed everything from
>> deegree.org which might lead to the misinterpretation that commercial
>> services are advertised there, and we added an imprint, the latter as an
>> interim solution to support the rejection of the complaint.
>> As a long-term solution, as already pointed out below, I propose to
>> transfer the deegree.org domain to OSGeo. By that it would also from a
>> legal point of view be clear that it is a community domain, not a company
>> domain. If that transfer is possible, also the imprint could either be
>> removed or adjusted to the new situation.
>> Such a procedure could also be a solution for other OSGeo project who might
>> otherwise run into the same kind of trouble.
>> The question to you is, if such a transfer is possible, and what has to be
>> done to achieve it. Your feedback, please.
>> Kind regards,
>> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss]
>> OSGeo is becoming irrelevant. Here's why. Let's fix it. Datum: Mon, 28 Sep
>> 2015 09:57:18 +0200 Von: Jens Fitzke <fitzke at lat-lon.de> Kopie (CC):
>> discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>> Am 26.09.2015 um 17:20 schrieb Darrell Fuhriman:
>>>>> This is a perfect example.
>>>>> All of those are great and wonderful things! The community does
>>>>> great and wonderful things. That’ s not my point.
>>>>> My point is, those activities would happen even if the OSGeo
>>>>> Foundation disappeared. I’m not questioning whether we have a large
>>>>> and vibrant community, we do. And we still would.
>>>>> My local chapter existed before it was an OSGeo chapter, and we
>>>>> would keep on having meetings and doing fun and exciting things even
>>>>> without the OSGeo Foundation.
>> Same is true for the German chapter. But nevertheless there is need for
>> something more umbrella-like.
>>>>> Put another way: The OSGeo Foundation needs the Open Source
>>>>> Geospatial community, but does the Open Source Geospatial community
>>>>> need the OSGeo Foundation? I don’t see that it does.
>> Here's a case why the Open Source Geospatial community need the OSGeo
>> Foundation: Our company is currently being legally prosecuted as the owner
>> of the deegree.org domain. The claim is that on www.deegree.org there is a
>> commercial offering, but at the same time the web site lacks an imprint
>> (which is legally enforced in Germany for all commercial offerings).
>> Besides the question if some links to companies who provide "professional
>> support" are already a commercial offering, the main point here is, that
>> lat/lon is made responsible for something (providing the server) the
>> company is only doing to support the community. But the prosecutor is
>> saying that lat/lon is accountable here as per the whois entry.
>> We are currently evaluating reactions, together with a lawyer who is
>> experienced in legal aspects of Open Source. But as a more long-term
>> solution I'd say OSGeo should be the legal owner of deegree.org. From my
>> naive legal understanding this would help a lot to get things straight and
>> more transparent to the outside world.
>> This case might be a bit special, but it is a real one - and it might have
>> some larger impact as I am seeing other projects which have a similiar
>> setting and thus might run into the same kind of trouble. Depending on the
>> legal situation in the various countries, of course.
>> My 2 cents,
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