[Board] UN Meeting

Wed Oct 12 03:39:55 PDT 2016

It seems to me that this should be a by committee choice, how they want to self organize, what works best for them. We are a do-ocracy. We should let them do. 

Michael Smith
Remote Sensing/GIS Center
US Army Corps of Engineers

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 6:25 AM, Venka <venka.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sanghee and all,
> 
> I am fine with autonomy for our committees and have
> never been against it. We only need to state this clearly
> in our Committee guidelines [1] which I choose to follow
> in absence of any other guideline.
> 
> I agree with what Arnulf stated well in his mail
> [2]. I reproduce parts of his e-mail [2] below
> as he has phrased it better than I can.
> 
> "In that case we may want to change the general voting system to a majority vote as is typical for democratic systems. This is something for the board or maybe even the charter members to decide."
> 
> So, let us decide;
> 
> a) if majority vote will be 50% of the votes cast or X% as decided
>   by the committee.
> b) if a -1 vote can have different meanings for different committees
> c) if committees is free to decide who could be a member, which
> member could vote and which member is automatically retired.
> 
> And having taken the decision, let us update our committee
> guidelines [1] and also have our committees to come up with their
> own guidelines and put it on the wiki. This will make our
> decision making process clear and transparent.
> 
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Committee_Guidelines
> [2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2016-September/003944.html
> 
> Best
> 
> Venka
> 
>> On 2016/10/12 18:10, Sanghee Shin wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> OSGeo is a community of communities and not a centralised
>> organisation. I don’t believe Board could set up or apply any single
>> clear governance rule for the whole committees. If there’s any
>> weird(to some) governance procedure in any committees, that’s also
>> the part of the committees’s long history that started before OSGeo.
>> I support the autonomy of each committee which knows the real matter
>> there.
>> 
>> Cheers, 신상희 --- Shin, Sanghee Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company
>> http://www.gaia3d.com
>> 
>>> 2016. 10. 11., 오후 3:26, Maria Antonia Brovelli
>>> <maria.brovelli at polimi.it> 작성:
>>> 
>>> For completeness, the main point under discussion was the one
>>> related to voting procedures. "Everyday topics will be decided upon
>>> by an open vote of all list participants in a clearly designated
>>> separate mail thread (+1/-1) over a minimum of two business days
>>> with a minimum participation of 3 votes. Ideally we aim for
>>> consensus falling back on simple majority vote where necessary. The
>>> result will be clearly declared afterwards (or whatever is
>>> decided)." I believed (and still believe) that for important
>>> decisions as those of the CC, we need more participation in voting,
>>> i.e. a quorum of 50 %. As far as I have understood there is a
>>> handful of such decisions a year. After a long discussion about
>>> this topic, what was suggested by many volunteers (of the CC or not
>>> of the CC) is that the governance has to be decided by the Board
>>> and the CC decides only on the Conferences. Here we are: we will
>>> discuss this topic in next Board meeting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> An for precision: when we made this discussion and I proposed to
>>> put the decision of governance in the hand of the Board, I was not
>>> in  the Board.
>>> 
>>> Lovely day. Maria
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> Da: Board <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> per conto di Cameron
>>> Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com> Inviato: lunedì 10 ottobre 2016
>>> 22.38 A: Anita Graser; board at lists.osgeo.org Oggetto: Re: [Board]
>>> UN Meeting
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 11/10/2016 4:53 AM, Anita Graser wrote:
>>>> The board micro-managed the conference com? (I'm asking because I
>>>> have not read the entire thread on the conf mailing list.) Any
>>>> way, lets try not to repeat this process with the UNCom.
>>> Hi Anita, I suggest read the thread embedded into my last email
>>> I've just CCed to the board. It doesn't include everything, but
>>> does include enough that you should get an idea.
>>> 
>>> The quick summary: * After a conference committee face-to-face
>>> meeting at FOSS4G, Steven took on an action to clarify conference
>>> committee procedures. * He did this, put it out for comment,
>>> actioned feedback, then put to the proposal to vote * He received
>>> positive feedback from majority of the conference committee, and
>>> two -1 vetos from Venka and Maria (who are also on the board). *
>>> This resulted in 120+ emails, and a stalemate. * Maria has
>>> suggested to solve the problem of voting rules by putting on the
>>> board agenda. (Hence the implication of being micro-managed by the
>>> board)
>>> 
>>> -- Cameron Shorter M +61 419 142 254
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